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What's the real reasons England underachieve?

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  1. Chief

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    He's better than Keegan and McClaren? I take it all back, he MUST be good.
     
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    Thats not the the point, though. You said he was the worst of the lot. Which is clearly wrong.
     
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    It wasn't irrelevant because thats the thing I was arguing against that you took exception to. In fact its the main reason we are having this conversation. Nevertheless, I did not say he is doing a great job, just that he is not the worst manager we have ever had.
     
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    It's not clearly anything. In my opinion he is, Keegan and McClaren were bad, as I CLEARLY said, but in my opinion he is the worst.

    Ok?
     
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    Worse then McClaren? You having a laugh? Unlike him, Fabio's England actually qualified for a major tournament. Thats a fact. Therefore he can't be worse then him. Also Keegan went out in the group stage in Euro 2000. Fabio went out in the last 16. He has much better record then Keegan in qualifiers. And Keegan bottled it big time.
     
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    The only thing I took exception to was you saying that anyone thinking Capello was a sub standard manager didn't understand football.

    I do understand it, a lot. and I understand that he is failing in his job so is therefore a sub standard international manager. By failing in his job I mean he clearly can not communicate with the players and so therefore can not possibly coach them properly. The occasional good performance is usually tempered by a worringly bad game and his record in the tournaments is, admittedly in only attempt, ****.

    His past record is completely irrelevant to our national team as his past record will not help us win the euro's. We will qualify, as we generally do, and then he will have another go at proving me wrong. I'd put money on us ballsing it up again.
     
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  7. Chief

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    All three are ****. Like I said in the first place.

    What ranks the other two above Capello for me is that they at least gave a ****. He does not care one iota for England. He only cares for the ridiculous salalry that he's taking out of our game.
     
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    Couldn't agree more.

    His man to man skills with the England squad are terrible, he can hardly speak to them properly.
     
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  9. Sanj

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    Still a load of ****. Fact is he got England to the world cup. Gave us a chance and hope for millions to dream and some to make a load of dosh out it. Steve could not even do that. He was worse then Fabio, and that is a simple fact. You went out blazing and trying to slam him on everything and you just have to face the fact that you where wrong in saying that he is the worst. Thats all.
     
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    What ****ing planet are you on?
    Did you seriously give us a chance?

    As I have already said, I don't base my benchmark for success on qualifying but on the performance in the finals. Yes, McClaren was god awful in us not qualifying for the euro's, I'll give you that. I was not too pissed off though as it gave me the summer off from watching us fail yet again.

    But, our performance at the last world cup was the worst I've ever seen. Got it? For me, he is the worst we've had.

    And for the record, how much 'dosh' we made is of **** all interest to me.
     
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    Maybe not to you, but it does to some many others. The country genenrate a lot of money when we make a world cup or Euro's. Again, a simple fact. He can't be the worse we had when the guy before him did not even make a tournament.
     
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  12. Chief

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    Is it?

    Nah, is it ****. Supermarkets, pubs and off licences do a roaring trade. That's it.
    The 'country' actually takes a massive hit to the economy by the fact there are millions of pissed up fans taking sickies the day after England matches.
     
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    Its clearly the fault of the FA. In every single way.
     
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    Hes ****. Truly awful manager with zero passion for the job. He is supposed to be one of the best managers of all time and yet England are awful to watch. No flair, no passion nothing.
     
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    Might be, but that still does not make him worse then Steve McClaren.
     
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    1. Media
    2. Players believing the hype
    3. Maybe we're performing as well as we can. The record of one Win and 2 semis over a period of 70 years (World Cup and Euro) shows that maybe we are not that good.
     
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    I always love the excuse about players from abroad coming here and stopping England doing well. Yes, because we did really well in the 70's and so on.
     
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    Look, Capello can't be that good. You nearly lost to us (wales).
     
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    I doubt anyone on this thread said he was a good manager for us.
     
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