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What's the point of a creative midfield . . . . .

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  1. Fez

    Fez Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, this discription was a bit tongue-in-cheek! :emoticon-0141-whew:

    But you see, OLM, that is my point, I agree that his general play is usually acceptable and that his work-rate is acceptable too; but we brought him in to score goals. What concerns me is his finish; I think it is poor. He lacks confidence in one-on-ones and usually lets a class opportunity fritter out with a piss-poor shot at the keeper - he seems reluctant to take them on. He is supposed to be a striker and he seems more comfortable in the mix that he is in the conversion.
    Yes, he has scored a fair few goals (I forget how many peanlties - maybe someone can help?), but alot of the time others seem to make him look good. We have good creative players who put him in excellent situations to get us a goal and then. . . .
    . . . . . it fritters out !! :frown: The workrate and creativity of his team-amtes deserve a better conversion ratio.

    McLean was quiet, granted; overall though I think he is another improving player and will be invaluable in the run-in.


    Totally agree - Hobbs is an excellent talent and a cracking player with loads more to come! :emoticon-0148-yes::emoticon-0148-yes::emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  2. TONY_WARNERS_FACE.

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    Not as well as I hoped if I'm brutally honest.
     
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  3. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    You are surprised the masses wont follow your lead on here Percy? really? ha

    You know i have backed you in the past Percy so come on give us your thoughts on Barmby and the team in general.The Mcshane is better than Hobbs was piss poor and beneath your standards. Im sure you can get a few bites and take up your rightful position of Public Enemy Number 1 again. Come on Percy enlighten us??
     
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  4. Chazz Rheinhold

    Chazz Rheinhold Well-Known Member

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    Yep stay well away from those **** players who score loads of goals. Last thing we need that isnt it. Thank god we have only got Matty doing it. Why it would be a near disaster if both strikers scored 20+ goals this season.
     
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  5. The Omega Man

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    McKenna was slated relentlessly by the nobs sat around me. All they could shout was "forward".
    For me McLean was suppressed by Dunne. He took the pressure off Stewart. Their interaction was really good. Koren, McLean, Fryatt and Stewart all act as a unit.
     
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  6. smidgen

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    For me it's a lack of "one touch".....he makes too much of tapping/prodding the ball and lining up his shot. Result: he gets overwhelmed and robbed of the ball.

    By contrast, McLean is better at snap shots.
     
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    Can anybody genuinely pick out any weak areas in our first 11 at the moment? Granted we need strength in depth but I think we're pretty solid throughout. I think we need our own keeper, a left winger and a striker... These are largely for cover but for our league position and the way we've performed this season, even in the games we lost, I don't see how anybody can be picked at. We've been great and if we can keep it going for the season we'll give ourselves a real shout at automatic promotion... I think Southampton are going to drop off the pace now, just as Brighton did. They'll still be up there but I think after West Ham, there's a genuine fight for 2nd place well within our reach.

    I can't understand how people can complain... Nobody has the 'perfect' team but we've certainly got a fantastic one at the moment. In fact, with the club as a whole I'm struggling to think of any negatives I've got... Barmby is good with the media and the players, our chairman drives a hard bargain, AP doesn't piss money up the wall, the team are playing well and picking up results.
     
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  8. City

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    Fryatt creates most of his chances because of his positioning and movement! How can that be what lets him down?
    He could improve on his 1 on 1s yes but his positioning and runs are spot on.
    No offence Patty but you talk some bollocks on here.
     
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  9. Theo

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    When some people were slating Matty Fryatt during his dip in form, I thought they were harsh. People slating him after 6 top, top class performances need to have a chuffing word with themselves.

    Fryatt is superb. his movement is excellent, he looks sharp, he's working hard and he's defending from the front. The only thing he did wrong yesterday was miss the one on one. There' nothing wrong with trying to work a better opportunity rather than hit and hope.

    Agree with OLM on McLean. Thought Birmingham was his best game for us, thought he was poor yesterday.

    Paul McKenna is magnificent at the mopment and has been quality since game 4 or 5 of the season.

    Agree with Chazz here: "Im not going to slag off our players but Chester has been the worst of the back four since Pearson left."

    Hobbs has been great recently. OLM' list of deficiencies didn't include defending, which he does superbly and it's easy to forget that defending is #1 priority. Chester is making mistakes in every game. he needs to settle down and remember what he's great at. Defending.
     
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  10. Fez

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    I thought I had, although you don't have to agree!

    Does a question that raises discussion have to be a complaint? trouble with you is you know **** all about debate! (Oops!!) :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  11. RicardoHCAFC

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    Just a suggestion, if we had decent cover he might not be bricking it about getting another booking and it costing us points in an important run of games. I'd suggest he goes for an intentional booking to miss the Cup game if he hasn't had it by then, but knowing our luck he'd get a straight red instead.
     
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  12. Fez

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    When I consider it further it is since NP left and NB took over that we have shaped up as a attacking unit. It is during that same period that it has become more apparent that MF has been squandering well crafted opportunities.
     
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  13. Theo

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    It's possible but I think he's just trying too hard to play from the back and making errors. One of Jack Hobbs' strengths is knowing his limitations. He'll always try to play out but he knows to hit it when he can't.
     
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  14. Fez

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    We have a thinker among us; the cards will certainly have an effect! Good point!
     
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  15. Theo

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    Rubbish. His most profligate game of the season was Blackpool at home, followed by West Ham at home. Both under NP.
     
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  16. Theo

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    Well yes, obviously, because he's still excellent. He's not been at his best but is part of a defence that's conceded 2 in 4 games.

    Completely agree. He doesn't want to be a class act. He's decided against it. He's angling for a move back to Carlisle.
     
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  17. Fez

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    Oh come on, Theo; football is a game played by individuals within a team. Allow them to have their own styles - it does seem odd that Chester was the dogs bollocks until he accrued the cards. He may be scared of losing his place to McShane! <laugh>
     
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  18. Fez

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    Now I think you are having a laugh:

    The Blackpool Game
    "From thThe best chance so far fell to Hull in the 69th minute when Fryatt was sent clean through, but a heavy touch allowed Matt Gilks to smother his shot and Barmby curled the rebound over the bar.e Sky report"

    We got beat 0-1 at home and Fryatt did not score, although he had the chance Sky mention.
    The West Ham Game
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/05/hull-city-west-ham-championship

    The link gives report, stats and ratings - they are a faily reasonable reflection of others.
    Yet again we got beaten at home, and failed to score any goals.

    I would allow that Fryatt was more of a threat in the West Ham game and that his work-rate was, as always first class - but my argument is that this does not score goals and he is a striker. I seriopusly believe that with the excellent service he receives he should be on more than 8 goals for the season (one more than Koren!).
     
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    Another thread with a lot of bollocks on.

    So he misses two more sitters and that's a good thing? Fryatt is a decent player but over the course of the year he's been nothing more than that. He's not significantly better than McLean. Fryatt's a great workhorse and good with link-up play, but in really biggames like West Ham when we had 14 shots to there 2, or the Blackpool game, we lost because of him missing easy chances, which McLean would never get away with.

    Fryatt needs taking out of that list and replacing with Hobbs, McKenna and Evans. The two in the middle are fantastic for us at the moment. We move the ball around like Barca at times.

    I probably agree with this. Overall Fryatt is a good striker and he's certainly my first choice, but his tendency to miss simple chances and (seemingly) go off in a massive huff all game makes me think we could do with a better option up there. As I said before, those games againsty the other top sides, we will need to take our chances.

    As for people saying Chester is 'making mistakes every game' or he is 'good when he wants to be' Jesus wept are you taking the piss? He and Hobbs are bloody brilliant all the time, they were both great again on Saturday.

    It seems every time we have a game where we aren't able to play our ideal free-flowing football, everyone needs to pick a player to blame. Could it not just be that the opposition were good? Milwall, just like Watford, Burnley and some other lowly sides we've struggled against, did well closing us down and making us work. That happens to every team, the point is we still won. Last season we lost games like that 1-0 and got shut out, this season we've no trouble scoring against that sort of team. We're a great side at the moment, none of the defence or midfield can be faulted for the way they're playing lately (though McLean was quiet against Milwall).
     
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  20. Fez

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    So you agree with the original post then?
     
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