Rocket has made NO valid points, because no one can reasonably argue that the subject matter is fitting as material for a football song. It has nothing to do with opinion or any sort of campaign for wrongs to be righted, it's spiteful, shallow and an affront to human decency, all the decent Gers fans know that and have distanced themselves from the song, the only people I know of who think that song is ok are bigots and people at the wind up to get a reaction. Knowing Rocket I doubt very much he's a bigot so you can judge for yourself my inference. Rocket's comments on the matter are neither serious nor valid, unfortunately some on here seem to have taken his opinion on the matter as fact and that's my problem, if you sling enough mud some will stick and some of the younger posters will actually start to believe this claptrap.
Quite apart from the fact that the man in question was being touted for a posthumous knighthood, he is held up by one third of the city as a hero worthy of the "Greatest-ever" epithet. Well this particular 'hero' has feet of clay - if not **** - and as long as he is revered that should not be forgotten nor should any apology be made for that. It's always interesting that those who talk about human decency never acknowledge that actually what their 'hero' did was a shocking and disgraceful act of cowardice. Yeah, disgraceful how some will take the word of the Lisbon Lions Captain on oath in the witness stand during a Court case, over the agenda-driven ramblings of the Celtic invested hordes on internet message-boards. Shocking. Really..
Absolutely - because it is about the man who protected a *****phile yet is held up as a shining example of the breed by one set of football supporters.
You shouldn't be attempting to point score on the back of the Ibrox Disaster in the first place and though you'll deny it that's exactly what you're doing intentionally or otherwise in this thread. It cuts you to the bone that many people share my view that Jock Stein knew exactly what Torbett was up to yet shielded him in an attempt to save the name of Celtic. I asked you earlier what Hugh Birt had to gain and I'm still waiting on an answer.
I've done a small bit of research on the convicted *****phile Torbett. I cannot find court records to support what you say, that Jock Stein knew what was going on and covered it up, only the statement of one man saying so. Certainly, there are plenty of rangers sites that promote it, but that's as reliable as the Celtic sites saying on theirs that Michael ***an did shag the queen. Looking at newspaper articles online, I thought these statements stood out: Former Celtic directors Mr Kevin Kelly, 61, and Mr James Farrell, 77, said they never heard of any allegations concerning the accused and Mr Kelly, a director in Torbett's Trophy Centre business, denied every talking to Mr Birt about the matter. Asked if Mr Stein had tried to cover-up any allegations Mr Farrell said: ''He would have been playing with dynamite if he had done that. Jock would never have behaved like that.'' In his evidence Torbett said he had started the club in 1966 with the good wishes of Celtic chairman Sir Robert Kelly. He denied being ''booted out'' by Mr Stein in 1974 and said he resigned because of a ''conflict of interests''. Outside court Mr Tony McGuinness, who resigned as chairman of the CBC recently said: ''My heart and sympathy goes out to the three men who had to re-live what happened to them all those years ago. ''I am very disappointed that the greatest Celt of all time, Jock Stein had to be dragged into this case unnecessarily.'' Alan Brazil has commented that Jock Stein was not involved. He did, however, criticise the Kellys. Rocket, you asked what Hugh Birt had to gain by saying what he did. I can't answer that. All I can say is, as you can see above, it was denied by others. There is no concrete evidence, unless I've missed it, to say that Jock Stein knew anything about what was going on at Celtic Boys Club. The *****phile bastard was convicted, and rightly so. Point scoring over things that can't be proven will always be around. In this case, I believe that's all the BJK campaign is. I've every confidence what I've said will be totally ignored by some.
Not by me. Tina, what you have said is already in the public domain but people who seem interested enough in the lies being perpetrated to examine them in microscopic detail are only happy to hear what enforces their own bias. Anything that contradicts their view will be blithely ignored. There is absolutely NO EVIDENCE to show that Jock Stein knew anything, as I have said already he probably suspected. However it is patently clear that when the Billy Boys and other ditties were banned, a wee campaign was started up by Grandmaster Suck of Follow Follow to blacken the name of Scotland's greatest manager. When was the Billy Boys banned? When did BJK start? It's no coincidence that BJK started just after the ban was brought in. The knucklescrapers had to have something to wind the Taigs up. I'm of a mind to ignore debate on the evidence because even if the lies being spilled out were true, I do not think any civilised society should condone it by silence, which is what has been happening for 3 years at least. Such an odious poisonous allegation cannot even be repeated in the gutter press for fear of shaming all Gers fans, even the ones who would not sully themselves by taking part. When people say "Big Jock Knew" I don't get angry, I get sad, what a race of men are we to sink so low?
If I was "point scoring" i'd be saying that Celtic fans are better than Rangers, I have never said that and I have made it clear that BJK is perpetrated by a minority, there's no point scoring going on here. Likewise I never said Celtic fans would not sully the Ibrox Disaster memorial day because it's entirely possible, because we have fans who if the boot was on the other foot would taunt Rangers mercilessly. That would still not make it right though and I would still condemn it, you have failed to condemn it so i'm simply perched on the moral high ground although that was not my intention any more than point scoring was.
ps Do you know Hugh Birt? What did he have to gain? I don't know the man but I do know he got the boot from CBC so he obviously had an axe to grind? Outside court Mr Tony McGuinness, who resigned as chairman of the CBC recently said: ''My heart and sympathy goes out to the three men who had to re-live what happened to them all those years ago. ''I am very disappointed that the greatest Celt of all time, Jock Stein had to be dragged into this case unnecessarily.'' Or is Tony McGuinness a liar, were others (including the victims) lying by omission when they did not mention Jock Stein? Torrbett abused those boys at "his flat", was Jock supposed to have known that? Did Mr Birt? The only people who KNEW were Torbett and the young men he abused. Everthing else that anyone thought was pure suspicion. If Jock had known and it was covered up that would have come out in the trial, it did'nt, so if you or anyone else including Mr Birt have new evidence that Jock knew what was going on behind Torbet's door maybe you should contact the authorities and get the case re-opened.
The Mafia, watched a new documentary about it a few weeks ago. It was a guy who Bobby Kennedy pissed off who organised the hit.
Come on FFS, HE KNEW and lets not **** about on the subject. Just let the man rest in peace. Deve, expected better in the first place. Why did you feel the need?
Wow, just ****ing wow. Three pages of bigotry and half-informed rhetoric. And BH saying he expected better from Dev.... Nobody posts more bigoted and ill-thought-out pish on here than him....well maybe Rocket, but at least some of his stuff is actually worth a chuckle.
Sorry, oh well-informed one. Mental note to self. Never cross Venom as his patter is distinctly cutting
At least my patter isn't just boring, bigoted pish regurgitated ad naseum off Follow Follow and some Hun blog. You're a total sad-case BH. The anger and idiocy in your posts show you up as a bitter ****; who is motivated by hatred and takes his opinions from the rantings of others rather than come up with any semblance of an original thought.
Venom, have you ever noticed how some Gers fans seem to know a great deal about the court case? Almost forensic analysis in fact? Ask yourself, what sort of person takes an interest in such matters and picks out and explains the parts which match their theory. As I said, it's so very ****ing sad. Using the aforenamed Mr Birt as the ONLY source against Jock (Mr Birt who no one even knows) - is akin to someone in future arguing that one of Tommy Sheridans defence witnesses was the only person who gave valid testimony, that would of course necessitate being able to ignore all the other witnesses whose evidence did not match.
