Can I address one point that keeps cropping up. The idea that we bought poorly before Orta. Yes we did but because we didn’t buy. They were all loaners or freebie castoffs due to the owners at the time. This time we’re supposed to have an owner with money or ambition but we’ve assembled probably the worst squad for the last decade. Of course it’s ortas fault
Eire I will agree that a lot of those players came cheaply, but given that we didn't make many million pound plus signings the fact we spent £2.2 m on Antonnsen (however it's spelt) a million on Bridcutt and a million on Murphy, I wouldn't call those successful signings. However I do agree that Orta is the problem at present in my eyes, the point I was making is that we have been making very poor signings for a number of years, that can't be all blamed on the manager
This was meant to be a new beginning this time but feels just like Groundhog Day. Rads statements today of course would have nothing to do with trying to appeas fans and get them to buy season tickets in the next few weeks
Wood was £3 million,the mad Italian centre half £1.6 Million,Duke £2 million,Dallas £1.3 million,Murphy £1 million,Antonson £2.2million,Bridcutt £1 million.Just the £12 million.good job we didn't buy players
Do you realise what era this is. They were decent transfer fees before sky money. They’re a pittance compared to what successful clubs spend
Well its more than Hudderfield spent,and more than Cardiff have spent,but was more a case of showing how wrong you were again when you said we didn't buy only loan players.Maybe you got us mixed up with one of your other clubs.
As you are desperate to be right lets just say apart from them 7 players and the £12 million spent,we loaned all the players and didn't spend any money.
Bellusci springs to mind as does Cameron Stewart?? Who's contract we had to pay up. I'm sure they'll be others but it's all about opinion i guess
i never said he was , orta is the director of football involved in recruitment of players although signed some decent players he also has signed crap and not gone for the right players while other clubs have signed the players we should have click on the link and you will see ortas selection hecking..bottom in my mind should never have got the job , if you want a qualified electrician you dont go and get someone who can only wire a plug !!, i said that i am not happy with the situation down at elland road and a head coach hecking.. bottom who is not good enough or experienced enough as the others i previously mentioned https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/leeds-united-ranked-victor-orta-14343326
i understand in a way what you are saying BUT it is ortas job to find recruits and these are the players he has found wether the owner has or has not the money , orta is the recruiter so blame has to go to him , i agree in a way that the owner now should step in and announce to the press that he has a transfer chest of so many millions waiting for next season it would have to be in the region of what is permissable in the championship of course BUT dont forget the owner has paid what was reported 4.5 million on adam forshaw thats not a bad figure to be pay in the championship although i think he could have got a better player for the money , he also bought the ground back which cost 17 million , but next season he has to pay out on players of quality and at least match 20-30 million on players if he is allowed to by the FA , if he does not we will be stuck in championship next season also . But a big pressing thing for me also is that he must get an experienced manager in place for well before the season starts next season as this manager for me is not good enough , i previously mentioned which managers were available at the time but the owner knows nothing about football and chose ex barnsley of all managers and that choice has to be the owners fault .
I'm no great fan of Orta's, but I wonder if we're being quite fair with him, considering we are not in possession of all the facts. Some questions: * Is it Orta who has decided what our style of play was going to be, was he instructed by Radz, or did the two agree on a strategy? * Was Orta given carte blanche to sign whomever he liked? * Was Orta not only given a budget, but limited in the max he could pay for an individual player, max wages, signing on fee payable, etc., ruling out the possibility of a marquee signing? * Was Orta told, as part of the 5 year plan, to go sign 'x' number of players each year, knowing that a significant percentage of them would fail - in the hope, as Ridsdale used to say, that we 'find some silver we can change into gold'? * Is Radz hiding behind this public 'I know nothing about football' persona, when by now he must know a helluva lot? For someone who knows nothing, he's done one helluva lot of building & planning to date. I could ask a lot more pertinent questions, but, tbh, neither I nor any other pleb fan knows what is going on behind the scenes. Orta has become a target for everyone to blame, but it's all based on some sort of logical deduction - not fact. If Joe Bloggs replaced Orta tomorrow, would anything change? We just don't know, do we? Eck seems to think the squad are largely useless & has failed to get much out of them so far, and yet TC used the same players to give us some of the most breathtaking football we've seen from a Leeds team in the last decade. Radz has acted to halt the decline by replacing TC, but it patently hasn't worked, has it? Same players, same capabilities, yet not one spark has Eck produced, far less a bounce. Which suggests that the Head Coach is not to blame for our decline. Well, not singularly anyway. As Toyah used to sing, "It tha mythtawee". And it is. For now.
All valid points WJ,as you say we don't really know if Orta is acting on his own initiative or whether he has some solid restrictions in respect of signing from above. However I think it's fair to say that we can surmise on the above. Orta is not an unknown entity, with his previous experience at Boro which on the whole ( without looking into it in great depth), wasn't the success that Boro fans were hoping for, thus we can look at that address gain a sense of déjà vu maybe. In addition, we have Radz comment that he intends to be a bit more hands on with the decision making and whilst not confirmation, could be interpreted as he's given Orta free reign and just signs the cheque when asked. Whilst the second reason could be totally wrong, I don't remember anyone on here getting overly excited about Orta coming to us from Boro other than hoping he could do a better job here than he did there, hence I am perfectly understand why posters on here are pointing their fingers in Ortas direction for being responsible for the issues with the playing squad.
answers to question 1 radz has not ggot a clue about football so it was definately orta question 2 he jointly discussed with previous manager and the present one if any signed lately. question 3 orta will have been given a budget but dont forget he has bought a championship player from middlesbrough when other players were available .and bought some rubbish from abroad when he could have got experienced championship proven players .. question 4 he signed in the summer and january as he felt we needed to stregnthen in that area question 5 i dont think radz is hiding behind not knwing football , i think he genuinly does not know about football (proof of this has been his signing of previous manager TC and signing of heckingbottom 1 win in 7 matches now i think .. hope this answers your questions and shows the blame squarly on ortas shoulders and previous useless manager TC and possibly this one if he has influenced any signings BUT WHAT REALLY SCARES ME is that both orta and hecking ...bottom have their fingers on the money for next season transfers at moment unless radz SACKS THEM BOTH BEFORE OR AT END OF THIS SEASON !!
I wonder if the main problems are, we haven’t yet hired an experienced head coach for these players. TC wanted to play passing football but this was his first big job in a tough competitive league. Secondly, is there continuity in appointing the new coach? I mean does Heckingbottom play the same type of football as TC. If not then he probably hasn’t the sort of players to play to his coaching strengths. I ask because I don’t know what sort of football he prefers. So we should have replaced with a better more experienced version of TC to get the best out of this squad. Warnock would not be doing what he is at Cardiff here because they’re not his type of footballers.
Leeds have missed lots of chances of getting the right manager in my opinion back in october 2016 they should have appointed steve bruce he took over when villa were 19th in championship i believe and knows how to defend, plus knows what players to go for
The owner has to sack hecking... bottom (arse) if we lose to bolton a week on friday , bolton are 19th and leeds are 14th if we cannot beat bolton at home then we certainly dont deserve play offs
