What is the total value of our first team squad?

Haha, no, honestly, there was no point - was purely a joke (and I don't use the face palm smiley anyway). Was just because everyone's arguing about Maya and Cedric in the other thread, and this was meant to be a respite thread.

 

Nobody has answered the question. All we have done is list the value of individual players. I have added up my stab at it and it comes out as £435 million.

 

Goalkeepers
Fraser Forster 20m
Paulo Gazzaniga 3m
Kelvin Davis Free (but I think he'll be here for life!)

Defenders
Cedic Soares 8m
Jose Fonte Priceless (you wouldn't sell your heart and soul, would you?)
Virgil van Dijk 25m
Ryan Bertrand 25m
Maya Yoshida 8m
Florin Gardos 4m
Cuco Martina 1m
Matt Targett 15m

Midfielders
Victor Wanyama 25m
Jordy Clasie 25m
Steven Davis 10m
James Ward-Prowse 20m
Oriol Romeu 10m
Harrison Reed 15m
Gaston Ramerez 5m

Forwards
Sadio Mane 50m (We should hold out for that because he is a difference maker and still improving)
Dusan Tadic 25m
Graziano Pelle 25m (a lot for his age, but another very important player)
Jay Rodriguez 25m (I have faith that he will get back to his best)
Shane Long 15m
Juanmi 10m
Ryan Seager 15m

Total = 379m

I have deliberately overpriced the young players as they are currently mostly potential but most have had international recognition, we could be selling a future full international.

 

Total - £325m

Not sure on some of the big numbers for the youth products listed by other posters. Although a few years ago I thought £1m was a decent amount for a player

 

The example always given is the elephant....you want to sell an elephant, you'll be lucky to get an offer; you want to buy an elephant, you'll have to pay a fortune. Trying to buy a young Saints player (English, especially) and you will be quoted high....that Academy has to pay for itself.

 

Funny you should say that. I was just thinking that plenty of people are undervaluing our youth. I'd stick at least £20m on Matty Targett's head.

 

Goalkeepers
Fraser Forster - £20m
Paulo Gazzaniga - £3m
Kelvin Davis - Free

Defenders
Cedic Soares - £15m
Jose Fonte - £10m
Virgil van Dijk - £25m
Ryan Bertrand - £20m
Maya Yoshida - £7.5M
Florin Gardos - £5M
Cuco Martina - £1M
Matt Targett - £10M

Midfielders
Victor Wanyama - £20M
Jordy Clasie - £20m
Steven Davis - £8m
James Ward-Prowse - £15-20m
Oriol Romeu - £10m
Harrison Reed - £10m
Gaston Ramirez - £7-10m

Forwards
Sadio Mane - £40m
Dusan Tadic - £20m
Graziano Pelle - £15m
Jay Rodriguez - £15-20m
Shane Long - £10m
Juanmi - £8m
Ryan Seager - £5m

 

Total 380.5M

 

Goalkeepers
Fraser Forster 19 mill
Paulo Gazzaniga 2.2
Kelvin Davis free

Defenders
Cedic Soares 13
Jose Fonte 10
Virgil van Dijk 20
Ryan Bertrand 17
Maya Yoshida 5
Florin Gardos 4
Cuco Martina 1
Matt Targett 8

Midfielders
Victor Wanyama 22
Jordy Clasie 10
Steven Davis 5.5
James Ward-Prowse 14
Oriol Romeu 4
Harrison Reed 7
Gaston Ramerez 3

Forwards
Sadio Mane 30
Dusan Tadic 18
Graziano Pelle 12
Jay Rodriguez 18
Shane Long 7
Juanmi 6
Ryan Seager 2

 

Strewth guys for me the answer is ...........Priceless!! Wouldn't want to sell nary a one! So to repeat............

Priceless

 

Not even Gaston Beddy?

 

I've done it before looking at anyone elses with explanation for a few of them and of course I don't know contract lengths so assuming they are decent length other than Gaston who I am counting the days

Goalkeepers - £14m
Fraser Forster - £12m (if he comes back the same)
Paulo Gazzaniga - £2m
Kelvin Davis £50 per hour as the cheery bloke that keeps spirits up


Defenders - £50m
Cedic Soares £5m
Jose Fonte £2m (because of his age)
Virgil van Dijk £15m
Ryan Bertrand £15m
Maya Yoshida £4m
Florin Gardos £2m
Cuco Martina £2m
Matt Targett £5m (English Premium + Age + Saints Academy Premium)

Midfielders - £67.5m
Victor Wanyama £20m
Jordy Clasie £8m
Steven Davis £5m (although should be much higher)
James Ward-Prowse £15m (English Premium + Age + Saints Academy Premium)
Oriol Romeu - £6m
Harrison Reed - £6m (English Premium + Age + Saints Academy Premium)
Gaston Ramerez - £1.5m

Forwards - 92m
Sadio Mane - £30m
Dusan Tadic - £20m
Graziano Pelle - £9m
Jay Rodriguez - £15m (If he comes back as good as before)
Shane Long - £10m
Juanmi - £5m (Must be able to get back what we paid. Must be half decent but yet to see it)
Ryan Seager - £3m (English Premium + Age + Saints Academy Premium)

Total £14m + £50m + £67.5m + £92m = £223.5m

 

Welllllll.........if you insist.............only for the right price!!

 

Everyone here is priced to sell. We're supposed to be retaining them.

 

I've priced them at what teams will pay and in most cases what Saints would probably accept. A few exceptions in Rodriguez and Forster because they are injured etc.

I think I'm pretty close. Some people think Cedric is worth 3x what we paid for him 3 months ago? The guy can't get through a game without adopting his head bandage. Looks promising yes but the valuations of him are laughable. Similar for Gaston. He has 6 months left and some value him at silly money. Yoshida in the high millions?

Pricing to retain would be higher yes. Pricing to retain Schneiderlin would not be £24m though would it so I think I am close to what Saints would talk. Saints board would talk over Mane for £30m.

 

Sorry Impsaint, but I don't think you're anywhere near close for most of your valuations. The players are not in the shop window to be sold [but you've put them there], and therefore Saints would put most of the players way beyond the valuation of buying clubs. They would have to make stupid offers to get us interested, and rightly so. In the case of Morgan, that's a bad example as he near the end of his contract and wanted to leave, so £25M was extremely good money.

In the case of Mane, with so long a contract, and seeing what Sterling went for, I would expect Saints to not even lift an eyebrow unless £50M was the first offer.

Do remember, we don't need the money, we need the good/great players. That's the way to progress. Sure, we are a selling club, like everyone else, but on our terms. We're not scouting for other clubs. The work is done for Saints and other teams will pay very dearly indeed for our services.

I mean, would you really sell Clasie for £8M.? For me he's already easily doubled in value. As for VVD, he's already £25M minimum, without a shadow of a doubt.

 

I thought Schneiderlin had a contract until 2017? maybe I was wrong but if not that isn't nearing the end of his contract that is 2 years. Mane has 2 and a half years not much different.

The bearded one's value to us was higher than £25m especially to us yet we sold him for that and he had a contract until 2018.

We didn't need the money when we sold them either so not a lot is different now.

I've not put them there, just putting what I think they are worth in terms of what we would accept for most of them. All 3 of the above if we wanted to retain them would be well above £30m yet we sold 2 of them for less and I think we would be talking to other clubs on Mane for £30m/

With VVD I can see he would be worth more but he isn't worth more because of anything other than he is at a premier club that want to keep him and that pushes his price up. If he was worth £12m a month ago he isn't really worth £25m a month later.

Clasie is still worth what we paid for him because he hasn't (for me) shown the form yet as he hasn't had the games to do so. HAving a decent midfield game against a Sunderland bus that didn't venture more than 5 yards outside their box doesn't show much for any of our midfielders / defence. TBH Oriel has shown more glimpses of quality so far than Clasie. I expect that will change as Clasie gets more minutes under his belt.

I used to think a bit like you but we have seen that even though we don't need the money, even though we say we want to retain players we still sell at much lower prices than any of the posters above are putting on our players. I am just being realistic. 3 years ago I would have put higher values.

 

Let's see if I can get some measure of understanding between us. In pure football terms you have probably come close the value of several players. However, a valuation isn't about the player entirely. It's about the relative importance of that player; how many of his calibre there are available; how many the club already have; what kind of form that player is in, age, perceived potential, international status, etc.., besides the raw value of that individual. For example, you suggest Jose Fonte is worth £2M and that the club would sell at that figure. I can tell you that Les Reed wouldn't even turn over in bed at the thought of obtaining that for Jose. In fact, it's very hard to put any realistic figure on Jose, such is his importance to Saints at the moment. And that will continue for as long as he holds his form, fitness, attitude, influence and captaincy. These are qualitative things it is very difficult to value, but £2M just doesn't cut it. With that kind of valuation Jose would have been a Cardiff City CB for a season or so already.

This can said to a varying extent of the other players. Add in the fact that Saints don't need the money and Les Reed is going to take some waking up before anyone waves enough cash to provoke Him, Gareth and Ronald into parting with any player before they are quite ready and willing [barring last year of contract]. It's not the bog standard value of a player but how much others are prepared to pay. This is why Twatcheeks [OK, Lallana] was £25M and Shaw was £32M. Neither were that good, but other clubs were desperate to have them and paid the price. Good for Gareth and Les for demonstrating that charity is for the poor, not for the likes of Liverpool or ManU. So while you effectively price players for the shop window, in which I could see almost all the squad being snapped up [not exactly the desirable outcome], I price them to put people off unless they're stupid. And previous experience tells us there are plenty of those buyers around.

 

The thread said what is the value of our squad, not what should we push the price up to. I've put players at what I think they are worth in the current market. Not what we would accept or what we could fesibly get.

No I've been sensible with Fonte. £2m is what others would pay and therefore what his market value is. That doesn't mean we would sell for that price.

Mane is worth £30m. That isn't to say we couldn't get more if 2 clubs are interested and push the price up like Sterling however I think if a £30m bid came in there would be discussion at the very least.

Lallana was worth more than £25m to us. He was worth more than £25m not for us. He was much more consistent than Tadic even if we do hate to say it. Add the supposed English Premium then we should be looking much higher.

Our board have shown our card and that is we will sell anybody if a bid we are sufficiently happy with comes in. Making out Schneiderlin was told he had to stay for another year because we had sold enough already was pure spin. He stayed another year because no-one put a sufficient bid in. If the Man U bid had come in the year earlier he would have been gone.

Same with Wanyama. He isn't here because we stood firm, he is here because no-one met our boards asking price (whatever that may be)

I don't know why so many cannot see this. I love Saints and we are in a much better position than days of old to retain our players but to think we don't sell at the right price or to think we do not sell at anything less than uber price seems strange to me. We sell at what we think is the right price and we replace at what we think is the right price. Thats the nature of our business.

Shaw went for the money because he was hyped up and there was a premium of bragging rights for whoever bought him. Is he or will he ever be worth that tranfer fee? I doubt it. He isn't as good a left back as Schneiderlin is a DM or Lallana is an AM but he was more prestigious / hyped. Thats the name of the game and the value/worth is what people are prepared to pay. We might think they are worth more or have a higher value but while we hold firm their contract runs down.

Fonte is as good as most CBs in the country. As good as a Cahill or Jagielka, better than Jones or Smalling. That doesn't mean his value is anywhere near them and wouldn't be even if he was younger because he isn't fashionable or prestigious. We won't sell him because we couldn't replace him for less than £10m. That doesn't mean he is worth £10m though.

Taking sentiment away and looking at how the club works people should be seeing that we are a business and are running as a business. We do not turn down good offers for players and we replace them with good value players. Thats life.

 

This simply isn't true. We sold more players than I think we'd intended due to player pressure and we could not sell Morgan for fear of total collapse. It was nothing to do with a decent bid - though it is true none arrived.

Not true. We couldn't sell both DMs in one session. Bids were irrelevant. Sure, if someone had bid £50M he'd have gone. That's economics, not football.

We don't sell at the "right price" - we sell at our price. The way you state it suggests we don't eek out every penny - as if we do bad business. We do good business. Extremely good business.

Actually, it does. If it would cost £10M to buy a Fonte, then a Fonte is worth £10M. That's about the simplest logic there is.