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who painted your cherry on!
After backing the manager so far I couldn't see him being sacked. He might resign due to the sheer humiliation but I don't think so. He has said himself it will take some time to get things right and it sounds like PJ's in it for the long haul. Although we have brought 8 players in it's not like we have spent a lot. Many of them were frees and ME should realise maybe he needs to spend a bit more to help PJ out. PJ has done ok so far on what might be limited resources made available to him by ME but surely we need to invest a bit more.
p.s glad to see some people are realising we need some stability and constantly changing managers is doing us no good.
p.s glad to see some people are realising we need some stability and constantly changing managers is doing us no good.
Oh really – blind stupidity? How stupid would it have been to get rid of Keane earlier, prick?
Oh, but wait: only JWM can possibly have any logical thought behind his posts, like the genius suggestion that stability is the way. I take it we’d be fine by now if we’d stuck with Keano. Here’s the news, deducible by anyone with a brain cell: stability is great if you have someone good in charge. If you don’t, “stability” is not just a waste of time, it takes you to league one and beyond.
Roeder hadn’t been at Norwich long, then Gunn got the job. Just when “stability” was needed, they sacked him. What a terrible, decision!
A mere opinion, which it isn’t “blind stupidity” to hold.
And (as the OP wondered) they won't sack him if we get hammered again against Leeds. That and the fact that I like Jewel (until recently as a manager) I hope to christ I'm horribly wrong.
Oh Jonah for a man of your considerable IQ I sometimes despair of you I really do! Cheers for the cheap little insult btw I thought it was beneath you. Let us keep to the arguements rather than getting personal! 
Just tell me how would sacking Jewell now be a benefit to this football club? Considering that we would still be stuck with the same players and the transfer window closing next week!
Personally I think a short stay in League 1 might do us all good and actually get us back to being the football club we once all knew and respected.
Just tell me how would sacking Jewell now be a benefit to this football club? Considering that we would still be stuck with the same players and the transfer window closing next week!
Personally I think a short stay in League 1 might do us all good and actually get us back to being the football club we once all knew and respected.
HOW LONG IS LONG ENOUGH THOUGH??
You see, some seem to be missing JJ's point, if its stability you want then why get rid of Keane so soon, why not let him see his contract out and see if he could have changed things for the better? It kinda stinks of double standards really, so come on then, how long do we give Jewell, what happens if come end of season we are in the bottom half, do we sack PJ or do we give him longer?
Personally i don't get all this stability ****e, if your **** then you must go and not just be kept on for stabilities sake!!
You see, some seem to be missing JJ's point, if its stability you want then why get rid of Keane so soon, why not let him see his contract out and see if he could have changed things for the better? It kinda stinks of double standards really, so come on then, how long do we give Jewell, what happens if come end of season we are in the bottom half, do we sack PJ or do we give him longer?
Personally i don't get all this stability ****e, if your **** then you must go and not just be kept on for stabilities sake!!
I thinks its still early doors. I think in a months time we will have a strong team with all the slots filled, hopefully players starting to gel. I only ever start looking into the league after about 10 games. Everyone's up to speed with each other by then , no need to panic.
Oh Jonah for a man of your considerable IQ I sometimes despair of you I really do! Cheers for the cheap little insult btw I thought it was beneath you. Let us keep to the arguements rather than getting personal!
Just tell me how would sacking Jewell now be a benefit to this football club? Considering that we would still be stuck with the same players and the transfer window closing next week!
Personally I think a short stay in League 1 might do us all good and actually get us back to being the football club we once all knew and respected.
Oh Warky, if you’re going spout cheap insults what do you expect, and if you want “keep to arguments” why don’t you give supporting arguments rather than bleat “blind stupidity”?
Your only ideas so far are: stability good, changing manager bad”, which is then modified to “stability good, changing manager before the next transfer window bad” with some “League One will do us good”.
First, getting rid of a bad manager (which I hope Jewel doesn’t turn out to be as I’m sure he isn’t going anywhere) can be beneficial to the club if the one you replace him with is better (see the Gunn/Lambert saga). Sticking with a bad one for the sake of “stability” is crazy.
Second, we’ve seen a positive transformative effect on teams on the change of manager as much as otherwise, transfer window or none.
If it’s the transfer window that bothers you, why do you assume someone else couldn’t do better with the same players? Do you think management consists entirely of transfer window dealings? Can managers only work with players he’s signed? What is your logic here? How is it that teams frequently improve when the transfer window is closed after a poor manager has been sacked?
If it’s the transfer window that bothers you, when is it appropriate to ever change managers? If not when it’s still open, if not when there’s only one week left, what about when it closes? If we’re still getting slaughtered and playing like girls in one or two months, what then? Will it be ok to get rid after the transfer window closes? If so, how has it benefited the club to give it an extra one or two months of dismal results?
Were the board right to sack Keane?
Do you think Keane took us backwards?
If like me then you’ve answered the above two “yes”, then every single week of Keane’s reign was a self-destructive waste of time. Every week’s extra grace he was given was one more week wasted.
Were Norwich right to sack Gunn?
Were Spurs right to sack Ramos and get Harry?
If you’ve answered any of this “yes” you have to actually justify your insistence that changing manager would be bad not good in actual logical terms rather than just stating it and calling anyone with a contrary view stupid.
I have two predictions I’m quite confident of:
1. Jewel is going nowhere as it stands.
2. If we’re still a national joke by Christmas, he will be sacked.
If prediction 2 comes true, then we’ll all be wishing he'd gone right now and the new man had much longer to work with the players, exploit the last knockings of the transfer and loan windows, and be fully prepared for the January one.
Always assuming they appoint a new manager who isn’t another clown.
If prediction 1 comes true and 2 doesn’t, Jewel would have turned it around and nobody would be happier to have been wrong about a particular issue than me. As I mentioned, I do actually like him and hope the Wigan Jewel is still in there somewhere.
I’m just at a loss to see any positives right now. And while I think that, generally speaking, sticking by managers is preferable, I don’t think this to the exclusion of all other possibilities, especially when we’re a deserved laughing stock.
Im generally suprised at how easily people panic nowadays. Yes, we have had some bad results, but we are only 4 games into Jewells first full season in charge.
To even be contemplating changing managers is sheer folly. If the new guy got 4 bad results , would we then sack him also? We could set a new league record and get through a total of 12 managers in one season !! Or we could all clam down a little and show a bit of reserve - give it 'til christmas before we start passing to many judgements on PJ's 'work in progress' - by then we will have a good understanding on the shape of the team. remember we are less then 10% of the way through the season...
Would hate to be stuck in the trenches with the 'flutter brigade' :s
To even be contemplating changing managers is sheer folly. If the new guy got 4 bad results , would we then sack him also? We could set a new league record and get through a total of 12 managers in one season !! Or we could all clam down a little and show a bit of reserve - give it 'til christmas before we start passing to many judgements on PJ's 'work in progress' - by then we will have a good understanding on the shape of the team. remember we are less then 10% of the way through the season...
Would hate to be stuck in the trenches with the 'flutter brigade' :s
I can see where JWM is coming from up to a point. There have been cases where going backwards has helped a team to move forwards again.
Man City some years ago went to L1 and came back much better (even before all the cash was thrown at them).
Norwich have done the same, although they probably will not do so well this season.
Southampton, having shed their huge points deduction are now 'the team' in the Championship (so far) and could emulate both the above teams.
The Saints only stayed in L1 because of that points deduction.
Of course on the other side of the argument there have been teams that have fallen from grace - Charlton (but could be on their way back this time), Brighton (who have taken years to get back due to 'other' factors, Leeds Utd have come back but it did take time and they are not the 'finished article' yet. Sheffield Utd look good for an immediate return. There are others that have taken the plunge and not recovered but they have been much smaller teams - Bradford probably being the most recent one.
However, Ipswich are a bigger club than the likes of Brighton, Charlton & Sheffield United and should be in a good position to bounce back quickly and better for it, should they make the drop.
If an immediate return happens, but as we do not know what the future holds, I think it is wrong to say it is a stupid statement. It could be the best thing, in the short term.
Ok Jonah I hope Jewell is sacked after we get humped by Leeds on Saturday. That will then make 2 Managers in the same calendar year and 3 in 3 years just to please you! Thank god John Cobbold stuck to his guns back in 1970/71 when everyone was calling for Robson's head after a poor run of results. Sacking a manager should be the last resort after all else has failed. The club is crying out for some stability for heaven's sake. If you want to play to the gallery then that's your choice but I would rather settle for stability with a manager who is given time to build a decent squad of players.
It was a very different situation then Warky. If we had John Cobbold then Paul Jewell or not, we wouldn't be in this mess.
We cant keep sacking managers every 5 bleeding minutes! No one decent will want to come into an enviornment like that.
No-one at all will want to come into the environment we have now. I am not remotely tempted to go and watch this pile of tosh at the moment.
I'm with JWM. We can't just keep sacking managers. Who will we be able to get next time. We've just had two inexperienced guys and we called for someone with more. We got that in PJ and now want to change again. I hear what Jonah is saying, it's stupid to stick with a **** manager but at what point do you decide he's ****. Just because PJ has had one transfer window doesn't really mean it's 'his' team. He has done the business he was able to this window, does that mean he's happy with it, or finished yet, probably not.
I don't think he will walk or get sacked, nor would I want either! Nervous about sonko though, need to sort the defence
