What has HBA done...?
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We're talking about you assuming you know better than Pardew because you play FM, or because the tactics you suggest work on it.
I couldnt give a f*ck about Football manager. Sweet lord.
I think Pardew is wrong at times, because he is. Who cares about Football f*cking Manager?!!
Ha. Laughable.
that makes 2 of us. Whenever I point out an obvious mistake from our manager, you go on about Football Manager.
unbelievable.
Because I'm fairly certain in the "Santon in CM" article, you said something like "...even I know that, just from Football Manager and sunday league football".
Sorry, I forgot that if a football manager makes a substitution that you deem incorrect then they are a 'total failure'.
'It doesn't matter that we're having a good season, because Ben Arfa isn't playing. Pardew out...'
You seem to miss the point of Total failure. The explanation of why he didnt bring on HBA is an epic failure.
The season so far has been absolutely cracking.
Who are you to judge what is an "obvious mistake", you talk like you think you know better than Pardew or have some great wealth of managerial knowledge when in truth you know **** all.
We can all say what we would do and what we think is best, but you talk like what you think is 100% correct and is what Pardew is "obviously" doing wrong.
Well seeing as Sammy has done the square root of f*ck all whenever he has come on. And considering Obertan has done the square root of f*ck all for the past 3 months. I'm inclined to think he may have been slightly wrong in those areas. Considering the options he could have taken, is seems to baffle me completely.
Put it this way. If Bobby Robson/Keegan were in charge. Would HBA be sat on the bench in our last 2 games from start to finish? Im inclined to look back at those managers and their decisions and say: No. Not a chance.
So if you obviously dont think im worthy of pointing out obvious mistakes. Just think to yourselves, what would Bobby/Keegan do?
It's hard to get past these sort of comments when reading your points on here. They're just wrong.
Sammy and Obertan are our only RMs so are our only options. And neither have done "**** all either".
How the hell would I, you, or anyone know what Robson or Keegan would of done?
You have no reasoning to say that it was a mistake, for all we know if he had put on Ben Arfa we might of lost the match, we also might of won it, or still drawn it. Point is that you do not know so you can't say it was a mistake and saying it was an obvious mistake is just deluded and stupid.
I can understand Pardew's persistance with Obertan and playing Sammy.
- Obertan has proven in the past he has talent, Pardew wants him to learn and adapt to the way our team plays so that he can get back to his best.
- Sammy applies himself excellently in training and has shown glimpses of great ability so he is rewarding him with game time in the hopes he can develop his game and become a regular.
That's not to say I agree with him. I'd say;
- Obertan needs to be dropped as soon as Marveaux is fit or we sign another winger, he doesn't track back and his decision making in critical conditions is poor, coupled with what so far has been a patchy end product.
- Sammy's pace and awkward build is disruptive but he really needs a loan to refine his game. He's going to be a big talent for us but I think now isn't the best time to be playing him as it may affect his confidence struggling at a level that is currently too high for him.
It's not baffling, Pardew is clearly trying something out, learning more about his squad through trial and error. Raylor has only just been relieved of the LB position and is Obertan's realistic competition for a RM spot, apart from that AP's had little choice.
I don't think Pardew fully knows where to play HBA. He's not at his best but I think Pardew is more curious about the potential of Sammy. I think HBA should be given the 'impact sub' role until he gains sharpness but I'm not going to point blank say Pardew is wrong.
When he's getting so many things right, it makes his few slightly confusing decisions seem much worse by comparison.
- Obertan has proven in the past he has talent, Pardew wants him to learn and adapt to the way our team plays so that he can get back to his best.
- Sammy applies himself excellently in training and has shown glimpses of great ability so he is rewarding him with game time in the hopes he can develop his game and become a regular.
That's not to say I agree with him. I'd say;
- Obertan needs to be dropped as soon as Marveaux is fit or we sign another winger, he doesn't track back and his decision making in critical conditions is poor, coupled with what so far has been a patchy end product.
- Sammy's pace and awkward build is disruptive but he really needs a loan to refine his game. He's going to be a big talent for us but I think now isn't the best time to be playing him as it may affect his confidence struggling at a level that is currently too high for him.
It's not baffling, Pardew is clearly trying something out, learning more about his squad through trial and error. Raylor has only just been relieved of the LB position and is Obertan's realistic competition for a RM spot, apart from that AP's had little choice.
I don't think Pardew fully knows where to play HBA. He's not at his best but I think Pardew is more curious about the potential of Sammy. I think HBA should be given the 'impact sub' role until he gains sharpness but I'm not going to point blank say Pardew is wrong.
When he's getting so many things right, it makes his few slightly confusing decisions seem much worse by comparison.
Sammy and Obertan are our only RMs so are our only options. And neither have done "**** all either".
How the hell would I, you, or anyone know what Robson or Keegan would of done?
You have no reasoning to say that it was a mistake, for all we know if he had put on Ben Arfa we might of lost the match, we also might of won it, or still drawn it. Point is that you do not know so you can't say it was a mistake and saying it was an obvious mistake is just deluded and stupid.
Like Warm Pouch stated in another thread. If a manager makes what seems like the right call ie bringing on HBA and it doesnt work than you can understand it and accept it and move on.
But when 2 19 yr old kids get the nod instead of him and didnt make any difference whatsoever, than we have the right question that decision.
Also, since when is Sammy an RM? Sammy is clearly a player who will play off the front but is being used in a wide role due to his rawness.
You hit the nail on the head with that one. I am not saying Pardew is a bad manager, he has us in 7th for crying out loud. he has done immense. But when you see these little baffling decisions game by game it makes you think, just what is going through his head.
Ive not known a manager get the important difficult decisions correct so much; and then the small possibly game changing decisions so bafflingly mind bogglingly confusing.
Gives me something to talk about though. Cant be all good news. That would be boring!
You hit the nail on the head with that one. I am not saying Pardew is a bad manager, he has us in 7th for crying out loud. he has done immense. But when you see these little baffling decisions game by game it makes you think, just what is going through his head.
Ive not known a manager get the important difficult decisions correct so much; and then the small possibly game changing decisions so bafflingly mind bogglingly confusing.
Gives me something to talk about though. Cant be all good news. That would be boring!
Hear hear!
Even when he makes these strange decisions at least the younger players are getting experience out of it. If he consistantly brought on Smith I think then it'd be a complete loss but for these lads, they're getting rewarded for their efforts and in the process Pardew can see how developed they are. I'd say Vuckic has shown himself to be quite comfortable and is valuable cover in a central position. Sammy has more of a 'free role' so his mistakes can be rectified by those around him but the lad needs a spell at a lower Championship/ upper League One side to add purpose to his skillful (but often clumsy) runs.
I definitely like that Pardew now seems to be taking the Roeder approach and is using the youth players as 2nd/3rd choice.
He did not bring on two 19 year olds instead of him, he brought on Shola instead of him. Ben Arfa might of not made any difference either, Pardew had he reasons which he has said which explained his decisions and they were logical, just because it did not result in creating a goal this time does not make it wrong because you have no idea what the other possible outcomes for the different decisions would be. For all we know he might of saved us the match.
Sammy has played every game for us at either RM or LM and mostly RM. He will probably end up being a striker but at the moment he is a RM.
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