If you've never seen any poster rage on this forum after a loss then you must not read the forum much when we lose... Or even draw for that matter lol
It dont matter what i would take does it . Its all down to what Maureen lets Wenger have . Thats the short of it.
we are talking about THIS loss , or are you now trying to encompass the other major dissapointments too. ? That would run into a good long thread ...better not.
You were moaning at me trying to put me down due to me saying I'd take a point, but you agree your mindset was the same. So stop looking for reasons to argue lol
No we weren't talking about this loss, we were talking about posters on this forum in general. Once again you are trying to argue a different point to the one being made.. Surprise surprise.
ok listen . im not arguing . There is no point in arguing. Go look at the table tonight. Thats where we are . Thats beyond any dispute. no more from me on this loss.
As Not Pc said, the facts are there for everybody to see, we are poor at the moment, and have not progressed so far this season.
when "going in the right direction " is losing 2-0 and dropping 4 places. they were all raving about how we were real challengers now , at the end of the transfer window. then the first 7 games and we only win 2. The names have changed , but the football is just the same as we have seen for the last 9 years. we are pi$$ing in the wind with these guys. League Cup ...GONE Champions league ..tba Premier league ..tba FA CUP ...........tba Emirates cup ....tba
I think it's early days for Arsenal. You have a quality midfield and a solid defence but as per you're struggling with injuries. Welbeck is an upgrade on Giroud in my opinion, but not quite as good as Walcott. Look, there's no shame in losing at SB. You've played some decent opposition and sit in a decent position with a good platform to build on. Unfortunately though Chelsea seem to be blitzing the league this season so a title challenge may well be off the guards. You do however have quality in every area of the pitch and an abundance of creative talent, I don't think Wenger has quite worked out his favoured team or setup with the players he has at his disposal but I think as the season progresses you'll be a very dangerous team.
Once again, pages full of stupid, idiotic "you said this," "yeah but you said this." Put a sock in it and discuss the football. It's boring and tedious and fills up the board with rubbish.
Do people want some kind of revolution at Arsenal? Lets all head to the Emirates with flaming torches and pick axes and ask Wenger to leave or else? Or we could wait and see where he takes us by the end of the season and judge his performance over the season when it comes to an end? Maybe thats too reasonable.
I don't see that Wenger is contributing anything extra to Arsenal. With the team he has he's underachieving this year, and possibly did last as well (save for the FA Cup). He shows no signs of improving in any of his weak areas and isn't signing the required players. I think it's time for new ideas and a new approach. Every season seems to be "if he doesn't do xxx this season he should go," then he doesn't and he's still granted a stay of execution. Enough. Time to leave.
I saw your comment on the Arsenal in big games thread about whether I think Wenger is the right person to manage us, I'll answer it here. I think Wenger has his flaws, tactically, use of subs, refusal to play to nullify the opposition, dithering in the transfer market etc. There are certain areas that I get so frustrated seeing him make the same mistakes again and again. I also see the positives, attacking football, nurturing youth, spotting a diamond in the rough, taking our club forward in terms of new stadium and financially, competing in the Champions League every season even on a budget (compared to the competition) The part about him stubbonly sticking to his attacking philosophy is both a blessing and a curse. I think he needs to mix it up, we have become predictable. If our attacking football works, we are electric, if it doesn't we lack a plan B. I see some progress with the above criticisms, but is it enough and is it happening quickly enough ? I'm not sure. Fans are getting frustrated, I am one of them. I don't go in for the slagging off, because (1) It's not my style (2) It's not the whole picture (3) There are tangible positives. Even yesterday during another loss to Mourinho, there were signs that we had improved, but the rub is, it still wasn't good enough. Am I opposed to another manager coming in ? No. Can he do a better job ? That is the million dollar question. Should we dispense with Wenger on the hope that somebody can do a better job, absolutely not. If somebody like Jurgen Klopp became available and wanted to manage Arsenal, should we go out to get him, absolutely yes.
Thanks for that. See, to me, it's a question of probability. Someone else could come in and flop - even Klopp could flop - but they could also come in and fix the extremely obvious issues that we all see with Wenger and take Arsenal to new heights. I'm prepared to take that risk because I don't see Wenger ever competing with the likes of Mourinho and winning the title again and if he has no chance of winning the title, there's no point in him managing Arsenal.
The thing is, I'm not sure those 'extremely obvious issues' have such a simple fix as putting a new manager in place and saying 'fix the things that Wenger didn't get right'. It's more complex than that and everything happens in context. That said, we're going to have to replace Wenger in a couple of years time anyway, so I think the club should be thinking about his successor now and the areas that they want him to have an impact in.
Whether it's that simple or not, nothing suggests Wenger will ever fix them. Rather take a risk on someone who might than stick with someone who won't. What's the point in competing in the Premiership but never winning? What's the point in competing in the CL but never winning? Wenger must go.
I do see where you're coming from and it's not like I haven't thought this myself from time to time. I just wonder though that in taking that risk, we could end up even worse off than we are. For all of the frustrations, things are actually pretty good at Arsenal if you look at it objectively. But it's that 'almost, but not quite' equation that just eats away at us as fans. I would love to see Wenger win the league, but I'm not sure it's going to happen. I don't just think that's just down to Wenger though, it's also what Man City and Chelsea do that affects us, so any manager coming in will have that issue to face. As mentioned though, we are going to have to look at a successor sooner rather than later. For me Klopp looks like he's got what it needs to succeed. His Dortmund team have been excellent over the last few seasons, even when they've lost key players. For a real gamble though, I'd like to see what De Boer and Bergkamp could do together at Arsenal.
If we went out, got a new manager, and spent a ton of money and still failed, i'd still find it preferable, because at least we showed ambition. we may have fallen short, but at least we tried. Wenger's whole ethos is "4th will do, anything else is a bonus." That's why so many are pissed off with him.
