What Does Ramsey Do? And Does His British Passport Make Him Immune From Criticism?

As I have said before, I think Ramsey is played so that we can drop back into the two banks of 4 defensively. It has nothing to do with his passing, vision, or creative flair. It is simply that he is better in that sort of defense than the alternatives.

 

Ramsey is better in defense that the others? What others are you referring to? The blind man with the seeing dog in row z? The man is not very good at breaking up attacks and is the furthest thing to being a defender. I would go on to say, he is the worst DM type player we have. Rosicky, Arteta and Wilshere are all better than him in this type of play. I've seen him lose the ball for his lack of awareness and his tackling skills are barely acceptable at best. Don't let me start on his pace, has he got any? If we intend to play Ramsey, then play him in a more creative position. But again, he is far down the pecking order for this.

 

I believe you are wrong here. Rosicky sliding back to make tackles is not defense. If you are talking about playing defense in a screen then Ramsey is a better option. This quick, slick desire of people to paint players as "All bad" or "All good" is really unintelligent.

OK, we get it, you hate the guy and think he eats babies, but if you just say he is bad at everything, all you do is make your opinion worthless, because then it just becomes about who you like and who you don't like generally. Ramsey has his faults, all our players do, but they are nowhere near as bad as the haters make out. Ox has not been playing because, right now, he is no use at all in a screen, likewise Podolski, Gervinho and Arshavin. Yes Rosicky is better than the others but he is still not as good as Ramsey in my opinion.

 

Again, no need to be melodramatic. I don't hate Ramsey and don't compare me with the haters, i just don't think he is playing well enough to wear the shirt. In no way, shape or form is Ramsey better than Rosicky and we're talking about a Rosicky that is past his best. I like Ramsey and have wanted him to succeed, but he simply isn't taking it to the next level. He has stagnated for quite some time and is now struggling for confidence. I'm basing this on watching him play and not in some sort of hatred towards him.

The truth is, if everyone was fit, he would struggle to merit a place. Unless he somehow picks up his form, he will stay rooted on the bench with Rosicky, Wilshere and Arteta all being picked over him. If Diaby comes back, then Ramsey wouldn't even get on the bench on his current form.

 

You cannot be serious.

Only thing Ramsey has is an engine. He runs around aimlessly, so he's everywhere. He no discipline whatsoever, along with his many other deficiencies.

 

I thought WTF when i read that last bit. Rosicky was one of our stand-out performers last year, and he does things with a ball that Ramsey can only dream of. He is one of the few players that Wenger has continued with despite his age. He loves the guy and for the right reasons. It's just a big shame that he's past his best. Just before he went on that long injury break, he was one of the best midfielders in the world. He had everything in his locker. It's just a shame he's lost his fantastic shooting ability. Maybe it's a confidence thing?

 

As he's 21 I'm willing to give him more time. Theo's presence in the squad was similarly questioned when he was 21 and now he's being talked about in glowing terms.

 

It depends on how much time he has left to prove himself. Players have come and gone at Arsenal, and the pressure continues to mount on Wenger. There is only so much patience and chances Wenger can show Ramsey. If he picks it up this season, then its fine. But when you have Wilshere starting to tear it up again, after a whole year out and being 1 year younger, Rosicky coming back from injury, Carzola, Arteta, and Diaby coming back. It will get increasingly difficult for him.

 

Why don't you just say he is ugly. I really doubt you have any clue where Wegner has told Ramsey to be, so your judgement on his "discipline", is likely to be as worthless as your opinion on his looks. It really is amazing how the least knowledgeable people always pull out these words like "discipline", and "taking it to the next level", and "mental strength" to describe a player, because they haven't got a clue really. Of course all this goes with the assumption that Wenger knows less than Dubbed and Lazerus, by playing the guy.

It is just so so stupid, like they hope to somehow get widespread accolade for being more knowledgeable about football than Wenger, if they get everyone to agree that Ramsey is hopeless at everything and there is no sensible reason why he is on the pitch for a minute.

So geniuses, why does someone who knows 100x more than you about football, put Ramsey on the pitch, if he is so useless at everything?

 

Firstly, again, no need to throw your toys out the pram. Secondly, this is a football forum so people can share their views, even if it differs from your own, Mr Toledo.

As i've said, Wenger can only play the players that he has at his disposal. He's had Wilshere out for a whole season, Rosicky missing the beginning of this season and Diaby out again with injury. I've also missed out on Frimpong, who's been plagued by injuries and missed out on a very important loan move to Wolves. He simply has no other options but to play Ramsey. Do you think Wenger would pick Ramsey over a fully fit Rosicky, Diaby, Arteta, Wilshere or Carzola? The answer is no.

 

He's picked Ramsey at the expense of players like Oxlade-Chamberlain, Walcott and Gervinho. That was always on the wing, and it's always back-fired.

 

Well, in most of the games he is being slated for, he hasn't played in the middle, he has played on the right wing, so h has been relacing Ox, Walcott and Gervinho, not the lot you mentioned. Against Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea, and Shalke, that was where he started. Perhaps that was why you thought his dscipline was bad, because you didn't know what position he was playing?

You are the one with the opinion. I haven't expressed an opinion about Ramsey, I just tried to tell you why I thought Wenger played him. I thought it was a pretty reasonable explaination, but you lost it and wouldn't accept anything other than a complete lynching of the poor bloke, because of YOUR opinion.

As I have said, opinions are worthless.

 

Now you see, there is a statement I can respect!

I would say just that it hasn't worked, of course we could always have done worse with Ox, Walcott and Gervinho. In actual fact, Ramsey's record when he has played in the middle is pretty good.

 

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Lol. Well he is as skillfull as Zola and as nippy as a mini. Both all-time classics. It can't be a bad thing?

 

Yes, several times. But he didn't come up with a reasonable explaination of why Ramsey is playing for Arsenal (and has just re-signed), when he is "clearly not good enough" and so utterly useless.

He is welcome to his opinion, but continuing to force opinion in the face of logic, is insanity.

 

I don't know why you've brought up Ramsey's looks.

As for my point on discipline, let me expand on it, as it has clearly gone over your head.
When I say Ramsey has no discipline, I am referring to his inability to hold his ground. If anything, I should've said 'anticipation' as he runs wherever the ball goes. He plays like a school kid. Never reads the game, and is always a few steps behind his team mates.

I've never claimed to be more knowledgeable than Wenger, so that's another irrelevant comment.

Your last sentence (highlighted in bold) summed you all up though.

So he has to be good, or offer something to the team if Wenger plays him?

Do you remember Denilson? Even more recently Gervinho? These guys did very little, yet Wenger persisted/persists with them. Refrain from throwing strops next time, and engage your brain.

If Ramsey played for Tottenham or Liverpool you'd be laughing your ass off as him.

 

This guy is deluded.

Logic? What? Your opinion is logic?

Contracts are the worst examples you could've brought up. The club apparently has the likes of Rosicky,Diaby and even Djourou on 70k a week. Puts your whole argument to bed.

As much as I love Wenger. His judgment on things have gone stale.

 

This whole Ramsey debate seems to bring the worst out in people. And as for throwing in 'I'm allowed my opinion, if even it differs from you', well yes of course you are, but so is the other person. That's how this forum works, so I don't really know why people feel the need to use it defensively.

For me Ramsey is neither terrific nor ****. But for anybody to play for Arsenal, you have to be a good player. His injury was bad and it's a miracle that he's come back to anywhere near the level he was when you think about what happened to Diaby and Eduardo. Ramsey seems to have lost a yard of pace and so I don't think he's ever going to make an effective ACM. I think he's best in the middle and as a back up to Wilshere and Arteta.

 

Unfortunately, that's not true nowadays.