What do we actually need?
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I would still class Kelly as a prospect as I wouldn't call him top 4 quality just yet. He's solid but he's struggled at right back since his first major injury, and I'm not sure he is technically capable either. The sooner he is moved to CB, the better.
The Enrique of the first 6 months deserves to be in that list. I'm hoping that his downfall is down to his niggling injuries.
Reina and Skrtel deserve to be in that list but have underperformed.
I'm glad you put Sahin in there because he is a quality player. Bar the Arsenal game (where he wasn't fit), we got our first wins of the season when he is starting (WBA and Norwich) and I don't think it's a coincidence.
I believe Leverkusen have first refusal on Yesil, so it's all dependent on whether or not LFC wish to sell
A decent journalist (Indy Kaila - usually reliable) has recently said that:
- Tom Werner has given Rodgers a vote of confidence
- Significant funds will be available in January (approx £20m before any player sales)
- Rodgers may have to patch things up with Downing as the owners do not want to take another hit.
LFC fans are like a family an institution, or to use an other analody, like a hive off bees, the bees work together towards a common cause, if an intruder attacks the hive, the bees fight till death to protect the hive. An intruder or an outsider is easilty spotted.
A fu.king what?!
The planet would be fu.ked without bees. Just leave them alone. They won't do you any harm. Wasps are twats, though.
As I've already posted on a couple of occasions, Enrique is in a similar 'boat' to Downing. He has limited time to deliver.
I think you've made some false assumptions:
1. You assume players will want to stay for the full term it takes Rodgers to raise his own game to the point required. He has a lot of work to do to manage that. I can already see Reina looking elsewhere and I can see some big offers coming in for Lucas soon.
2. You assume the modern fan is capable of patience. I've preached patience too many times. I've had enough in the face of all the lectures from those who were impatient to be patient and the ridiculous and unjustified Rodgers hype from the same media who told us Hodgson was a quality manager. And if I've got no patience now the standard modern fan will soon fold.
For my part, I assume that a Tom Werner assurance isn't worth the bog paper I wipe my arse on.
1. You assume players will want to stay for the full term it takes Rodgers to raise his own game to the point required. He has a lot of work to do to manage that. I can already see Reina looking elsewhere and I can see some big offers coming in for Lucas soon.
2. You assume the modern fan is capable of patience. I've preached patience too many times. I've had enough in the face of all the lectures from those who were impatient to be patient and the ridiculous and unjustified Rodgers hype from the same media who told us Hodgson was a quality manager. And if I've got no patience now the standard modern fan will soon fold.
For my part, I assume that a Tom Werner assurance isn't worth the bog paper I wipe my arse on.
Get rid of Suarez... he is dragging you club to new lows every week. Better manager and a decent striker or two.
We need some experianced heads amoungst our youngsters. A striker is the obvious priority but we also need a decent defensive midfielder, goalkeeper and left winger as Downing is a liability and Sterling can't be expected to play 40-50 games a season.
Players to go..
Jones (Free)
Enrique (£4m)
Cole (£4m)
Downing (£8m)
Doni (where is he??) (Free)
Spearing (£3m)
Carroll (if we sign a striker or 2 permanently first) (£20m)
That there is nearly £40m if we were to use that as a wage budget to suppliment a £20m-£30m purchase budget we could get some real quality in the side. Rodgers and FSG's vision would see at least 5-6 players come in from that money, all of them would be sniffing around the first team and they'd all have re-sale value. Take Assiadi & Yesil as an example of their vision, we signed them for what £2.3m & £1m a piece... in 3-4 years they will both be worth at least 5-6 times that
Players to go..
Jones (Free)
Enrique (£4m)
Cole (£4m)
Downing (£8m)
Doni (where is he??) (Free)
Spearing (£3m)
Carroll (if we sign a striker or 2 permanently first) (£20m)
That there is nearly £40m if we were to use that as a wage budget to suppliment a £20m-£30m purchase budget we could get some real quality in the side. Rodgers and FSG's vision would see at least 5-6 players come in from that money, all of them would be sniffing around the first team and they'd all have re-sale value. Take Assiadi & Yesil as an example of their vision, we signed them for what £2.3m & £1m a piece... in 3-4 years they will both be worth at least 5-6 times that
Who the hell is going to pay £8m for Downing?? lol Carrol will ride out his contract on loan at different clubs as nopbody will pay £20m for him.
I actually agree with you ya manc twat!
Jones (Free)
Enrique We should keep him
Cole £1.5m or free his age and injuries will mean nobody is going to pay much
Downing (£5m) I hope
Doni (where is he??) (Free)
Spearing (£2m)
Carroll **** knows a lot depends on how he plays but I'm starting to think Hammers will offer around £9m
Stoke paid £10m for Crouch at 30 years old, I could see them paying slightly more for a 28 year old Stewart Downing. The fee reflects what Villa paid for him from Middlesborough. He is still an England international and he has already matched in 10 appearances, what he did in 43 appearances last season meaning he must be playing better.
I may well have made some false assumptions but they are relatively positive ones.
You are of course right that I could assume, Rodgers is a fraud, FSG are asset strippers or so impatient/incompetent that they will scrap yet another plan/structure, everyone but me is not a real fan. All our "world class players" will leave (that'll be 2 of them now then; one of which has been poor for 2 seasons the other who has rarely played through injury for a season)
But that would leave me looking at another x amount of years of no progression or hope of progression, more club instability & more "transitional" football on the park that results in COC cups at best.
Thinking like that though might make me bitter & disillusioned. I'll stick with deluded & happy that we are on the way up that way I won't get an ulcer
You are of course right that I could assume, Rodgers is a fraud, FSG are asset strippers or so impatient/incompetent that they will scrap yet another plan/structure, everyone but me is not a real fan. All our "world class players" will leave (that'll be 2 of them now then; one of which has been poor for 2 seasons the other who has rarely played through injury for a season)
But that would leave me looking at another x amount of years of no progression or hope of progression, more club instability & more "transitional" football on the park that results in COC cups at best.
Thinking like that though might make me bitter & disillusioned. I'll stick with deluded & happy that we are on the way up that way I won't get an ulcer
it's all still very early days.
I think considering it's a new system regardless of how pundits simplify it by saying "Duhh Liverpool always played a passing game" when we all but them understand a system is not a package you pick off the shelf and it is something that has to be augmented depending on many factors once it has been nailed down.
What's important?
We keep a consistent squad instead of constant comings and goings.
Stick to the plan and amass the right players for it, mainly this can be done via youth squad, get the type of players we need prior to making first team football, grow them a little with out philosophy. If it's a plan it's a plan, one with a timescale, rushing it can be disastrous. The other option is spending wads.
I've said we will have blips, cr@p games for no reason but at least we avoided our usual penchant for conceding on 80 minutes in a game like Stoke.
As time goes on I expect the good performances to be the norm rather than the exception but I can see as others surely can that we do not currently have the staff to play the game we want to play on a consistent basis
I think considering it's a new system regardless of how pundits simplify it by saying "Duhh Liverpool always played a passing game" when we all but them understand a system is not a package you pick off the shelf and it is something that has to be augmented depending on many factors once it has been nailed down.
What's important?
We keep a consistent squad instead of constant comings and goings.
Stick to the plan and amass the right players for it, mainly this can be done via youth squad, get the type of players we need prior to making first team football, grow them a little with out philosophy. If it's a plan it's a plan, one with a timescale, rushing it can be disastrous. The other option is spending wads.
I've said we will have blips, cr@p games for no reason but at least we avoided our usual penchant for conceding on 80 minutes in a game like Stoke.
As time goes on I expect the good performances to be the norm rather than the exception but I can see as others surely can that we do not currently have the staff to play the game we want to play on a consistent basis
Suarez is dragging us nowhere. He has exhibited behaviour shown by many footballers past & present. The only difference is he has a media pretending he invented each misdemeanor & hypocritical arses like you who easily forget they could list players of their own who have exhibited the exact same behaviour.
Everyone would like a better manager if you mean finding someone that wins more than the current incumbent so that's just an illogical general statement to throw our way alone (also ignores the BR is here to stay as a certainty at the top of op & if you disagree with my start off point you're straying from what the OP, me wanted to discuss: that was my way of not wanting you to waste your valuable time typing irrelevant ****e. )
Striker suggestion is on OP though so glad you are more or less on yet another LFC thread to discuss the actual issue rather than on the wind up eh?
yes I am a comedy genius! Bearing in mind the assumptions I have no problem with the categorisations. Many of the recent buys have been huge disappointments. In a sense it shows that buying a dud at huge cost has implications beyond finance. They drag down the team down as various issues come into play. E.g How do you get rid of downing and Carroll but at the same time recoup decent money? Big money failures make us reliant on prospects and the need for patience and tolerance. Owners suddenly tightenn the purse strings (understandably).
I agree with some of the posters who said that the top priority is bringing quality players in the category labelled 'strikers'
I agree with some of the posters who said that the top priority is bringing quality players in the category labelled 'strikers'
Don't die with shock but I agree with you. Not that you should care but you've gone up in my estimation because you've talked about something other than KD or Suarez. Unfortunately I'm on the mobile & can't rep.
So; haven't heard it yet: what are your thoughts on BR?
I've tried looking at this question 'every whichway' as the Yanks would say.
I can only make 2 worthwhile comments. Firstly we need to increase our firepower. Whilst Rodgers appears to dislike a dedicated CF/striker, we are unbalanced without one. There are very few Premiership sides that will come to Anfield and open up. The Stoke experience will be the more common one. Now I don't know if we need either a Llorente or Fowler type of striker but we need one in January. Until then we either play Borini or Morgan in that role.
Secondly we need to add some maturity to the squad. Players who have at least 2-3 years top level experience to take the weight off the kids.
I can only make 2 worthwhile comments. Firstly we need to increase our firepower. Whilst Rodgers appears to dislike a dedicated CF/striker, we are unbalanced without one. There are very few Premiership sides that will come to Anfield and open up. The Stoke experience will be the more common one. Now I don't know if we need either a Llorente or Fowler type of striker but we need one in January. Until then we either play Borini or Morgan in that role.
Secondly we need to add some maturity to the squad. Players who have at least 2-3 years top level experience to take the weight off the kids.