Some posters expect our players to be everything, we arnt physical and under both Martinez and brenden we would get regular drubbings to teams like this not close games where there is nothing in it apart from a set piece goal. Michu had a clear chance that he fooled up if he scores it then it's a different game, we come back to the chances we create and our finishing more than a lack of effort or passion. We must also credit the opposition a bit more, they have a plan to stop us and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't ,let's not go overboard on things like work rate and tackling,our style of play has got us this far but we need to maintain it and I think laudrup must now surely know this. Our play and system of play is a compromise at the moment and it needs to start working sooner rather than later but let's see the derby defeat for what it was. 2 ****e teams playing crappy football in a pressure cooker with a massive fear of losing
Right i what I am saying is wrong, then go watch the replay of Vorm's sending off, tell me, what effort is JDG putting in to get back, he is the last man, even if Vorm doesn't ,make the challenge, JDG hasn't busted his gut to get back on the line to help out, so your damn right I will complain about our lack of effort in midfield. Am sorry, but I don't know if you watched a different game to others, but watch it again, watch the lack of movement of our midfielder's in the second half, watch how often Routs makes a run so we have someone to pass too, then watch Dyer. Watch how many times Routs offers us width, then watch Dyer. Out of the 2 dyer performed better, but still when he got the ball, he as usual this season did nothing with it, there were a few times he had the chance to run at the defender, instead he decided to front up to him and got nowhere. Dyer has pace ffs, and its not like he is being told not to use it, because when he fronts up, he tries going on the outside of the player, the same way he would go if he was to use his pace. Shelvey started off like a man on a mission, and I was glad of that, but second half, like JDG they failed to make space for the pass, they were more than happy to stand alongside a Cardiff player, instead of a quick sprint run to create the space to allow our defenders to pass forward. Or did you fail to notice that too? Our midfield yesterday were utter ****e all over the park second half, and you can defend them all you want, there was no excuse.
JDG is too lazy, as pointed out and hope we don't sign him permanently. Michu Sat back to often, he didn't play like a striker yesterday. Shelvey could have prevented their goal, don't even mention the fact chico didn't even bloody jump. Vorm did what he had to and the twat rolled around like he'd been shot.
That's right let's blame JDG Everyone is forgetting the Manager. He clearly had a game plan to go at them first half and lay off in the second. He said as much beforehand publicly. He got it wrong, and it's no point blaming the players who were following his instructions. As NJ says this is embarrassing and the Scum fans are laughing at the way we're turning on each other and the team. As he rightly says, the game could have gone either way. We couldn't break them down and they played like the away side for most of the game. I just wonder if there would have been all this hoo-ha if we'd lost 1-0 away in a tight game to anybody else. I doubt it. Cardiff deserved the win - just. Suck it up and roll on the next game.
I didn't say Cardiff didn't deserve the win. They did. But, can you honestly tell me that jdg worked hard to track back?
I'm with swanselona on this... as you might guess. Aswan is also correct in saying that I want the middle ground between ability and commitment. The argument has been made, wrongly in my opinion, that our players are too small, too light, to put themselves about. Think about it. Over the years, football has seen many small players who belied their stature by the EFFORT they put in. Off the top of my head from back in the day, I can think of the likes of Nobby Stiles, Billy Bremner, Peter Reid etc etc. There were even strikers who put themselves about. Francis Lee was combative and Mike Summerbee, not a big man, had a reputation that defenders feared. No one messed with Mike, believe me. Anyway, back to our very own shrinking violets. I have posted a new thread which passes on Ashley Williams' view on things. Delighted that he vindicates my pov but very sad that what I have been posting was correct.
If you want a player who tracks back then JDG probably isn't your man, though I did notice him doing just that during the first half and he made some decent tackles too. But your focus is way off. Don't look for a patsy, particularly a lot of fans' favourite pantomine villain in JDG. The whole team must shoulder the responsbility, but in particular the Manager.
I doubt we'll see you soon because you're yet another gutless wonder who was invisible during the build up. Jog on.
Swanselona- that's the first sensible thing you've said in ages and not a stat in sight "our midfield yesterday where utter **** all over the park second half" Glad you lumped leon in there and held the unit responsible not any one individual , oh,wait a minute , forgot to read the first paragrapgh....... Ivor-unfortunatly football has moved on from nobby stiles and billy bremner,if these guys played today they would spend all their time serving suspensions! ... chico- yeah lets blame JDG ,rumour has it he also had a hand in 9/11 ..
Disagree, Norway. Great footballers would cut it in any era. My point, which you well know, is that you don't have to be a big lump to make yourself competitive. Hundreds of examples been out there over the years.
They weren't 'great players' though were they? Some of the players you cite like Bremner and Styles had almost zero technical skill. Their type has almost disappeared thankfully.
Im not arguing about that (great players/eras etc) What im saying is that the examples you gave eg, reid,styles bremner would not be able to do the same things in the modern game that they did back then, the art of tackling its self is even being reffed out nowadays. So your comparing apples and oranges arnt you ? The only way you could argue it is if those players modified their game to suit present reffering standards, if they did that then you'd be looking at a player just as similar as Leon ,though granted not a great example but you get my drift right ? It doesn't matter if your 5ft or 7ft these days there is only so much physical contact aloud by the referee . The answer is to get rid of leon and get the same player but a foot taller ! ending up with ya ya toure how is on 200k a week
Very true Ivor, and one of the best examples has been our little Leon over the years!....................
Its little leon Ivor is having a go at you berk!! he just doesn't want to say it and upset you !.. Aye a team of nobby stiles' that's what we need ,that'll be great that will ... Get your foot in first few minutes,spend the other 89 mins sitting in the changing room after being sent off
The problem's not our commitment, or JDG; he played OK although some on here are blind to everything he does. If anyone in the midfield was poor yesterday it was the usual suspect JJS, not JDG. Our main problem is not in midfield but but our striking in-ability. Regardless of who it is, each seems to have learned the trick of making ridiculous runs away from the ball or into unreachable positions. They know they are playing poorly, Michu constantly looks on the verge of exploding, Bony looks suicidal and Alvarez, sorry to say this, just looks crap! Donnelly anyone, he can't be worse. IMO Michu is playing far too many games, he must be knackered. He is the only player who has never been rested. We are relying on him far too much and the strain is beginning to tell. Bring in Pozuello and let Bony do his thing. It's so obvious that Bony doesn't like playing second fiddle especially to a midfielder. Contentious I know, but if we are to improve up front, Michu must be rotated/rested and Bony MUST start every game. The reality is that Michu will be gone in January or at end of season, but Bony is here for a while. It more important to the club to get Bony firing than it is to boost Michu's transfer value.
Pozuello I think was brought on far too late yesterday, but he does cause problems for defenders, and I'm sure he could well be an asset to Bony, but nothing seems to be working at the minute, and players are not reading and anticipating team mates movements enough, there is something to be said for getting more bodies in the box too, but then you need some good service from our wide players, which is not happening either, basic stuff really!..............
I take it you failed to read the thread I created right after the game having a go at all our midfield, although I did not include Britton, who I thought although had a bad game by his standards, was not a weak link like the other 4. Instead you pick up on the one post post game where I singled out JDG, and it wasn't a purpose singlign out, but more of a glaring part of our game from our midfielders, but you can take it as a personal dig at him if you want, but all 4 of those I mentioned played utter ****e in the derby, and I would be happy to see all 4 dropped in our next few games, until they figure out how to pull their heads out of their arses and realise we are Swansea ****ing City, not the retirement home where they pick up their pension payments. They got to ****ing work for their bread and butter.
