What a 24 hours!

Farage is amongst the group of dispicable,self-serving tw@ts,central to our present turmoil,who I wouldn't wee on if they were on fire

 

Ah Farage this visionary politician who can't actually win a Parliamentary seat despite having about 4 goes at it, no need to be frightened of this pipsqueak.

 

If I might offer a view on this. I was a Labour member from 1970 until 2015. I won the seat of Southwold on two occasions, the only times it had not been Tory or Tory Ind. under the first term of the Blair government our 48 member council saw The Tories reduced to three seats.

I left the party when Corbyn was appointed. He has adopted a policy of "Capture" whereby all the administrative positions are occupied by Corbynites thereby making it quite impossible for the moderates to reassert control. The only option therefore was to leave the party. We are seeing the two main parties neck and neck in the polls, under Blair Labour held a 30+ point lead.

Brexit has been a ****storm, and an unecessary one. I would just like to know from the sovereignty enthusiasts exactly which of these EU imposed laws they object to.

 

I’m afraid this just isn’t true. The Labour membership are overwhelmingly in support of Corbyn which is why Momentum backed candidates are cleaning up, but it isn’t any kind of a conspiracy.

SNP were not a force in Scotland during the Blair era so the comparison doesn’t hold a lot of weight unless you combine their seats.

Personally I would far rather have a socialist Labour Party than a centrist ‘Tories in a red tie’ party pursuing Thatcherite privatisation, legalising gambling, top down capitalism and debt culture. That’s before you even get started on the Iraq war that has led to terrorism and a refugee crisis that has ultimately caused the conditions for a Leave vote.

Although there were plenty of good policies and a boost to public funding during the Blair era he did a lot more long term harm than good, the good has not taken long for the Tories to undo whilst they have continued unabated tearing up public services.

 

How refreshing to hear about a Labour Council in Southwold of all places! A charming old town that has seen 2nd home-owners take over, and prices soar. We are of course handing over sovereignty & control to the EU in the present chaos!

 

The next PM could well turn out to be the MP for West Suffolk!

 

Well I hope it's not a Tory

 

No its Nigel Farage!

 

This would be just about the least worst option for the Tories. He is at least competent, does at least give straight answers and believe what he says.

 

It's not necessarily Corbyn's policies that I am against, it's more that against the worst administration in Britain's history the best he can do us to force a draw. At this stage of a parliament oppositions are usually ahead by double digits. The fact that Corbyn has not changed his views since 1968 is portrayed as an asset, it isn't, it's a sign of how he is mired in his student politics. I despair at PMQ's to see the bloke get the run around by Theresa. He just isn't up to the job, end of.

2017 was peak Corbyn with everyone assuming that he would scupper Brexit, how little they know the man. He was a hard line Bennite and he, along with Enoch was the biggest critic of the EU. Next time the Remainer vote will go elsewhere. As was seen in Newport two weeks ago it will splinter into Green/LibDem/Change while the Tory vote will splinter Brexit/UKIP. Farage's main problem is that a lot of boneheaded Tories will automatically assume Farage= UKIP and that will affect the Brexit party vote. Interesting times ahead but as a lifetime Labour campaigner, member and councillor I'm with Chukka.

 

So what you are saying is that you like his policies, but you would prefer power over sound policies? Regarding polling - with the SNP, UKIP and now the Independent Group have directed voters away from the main parties it's not really comparable to 20th century politics.

Not everything is about Brexit, but I certainly don't think it's as simple as cancelling Brexit altogether and I'm not in favour of another referendum. I think he has played it as soundly as it could have been.

 

Blair went for power and kept the Tories out of it for thirteen years, I my book that was well worth the compromises that we had to accept. Corbyn will never get to lead the country he is totally out of touch and his reasons for wanting to be out of the EU are predicated on his dream of running the UK on old style Eastern European Socialist lines without interference from Brussels. Oddly Boris and JRM hold exactly the same ideas, except in their case it's a Singaporean race to the bottom low wage economy.

Actually my politics are fairly to the left, but it's no good having policies that you can't interest the electorate in. It really wouldn't bother me driving a 2CV and dining on vegetables but most of the voters would have you out like a shot if you offered them a glass of carrot juice.

 

I don’t see how anyone can look at the state of our schools, hospitals, public transport, rising crime, the thousands of homeless and say that was worth compromise in hindsight. Honourable intentions for the most part but a failed experiment.

 

But you are looking at the state of those things in 2019. Nine years ago when labour left power when Cameron and Clegg took over things were much better than today. Of course Tories will tell us that this was due to the Labour economic crash. But we know that this was a global crash that began in the US with sub prime. It wasn't Gordon Brown who crashed Lehmann brothers.

If you speak to any NHS employee they will tell you just how much things improved between 1997 and 2010. Corbyn is an irrelevance. He will sink without trace having never reached the office he desires simply because a very large number of lifelong Labour supporters hate him. He has split the party and I doubt that he would command a majority of His own MP's. Many of his front bench are dire performers who bring shame onto the party they represent. Diane Abbott I ask you ?

 

Dianne Abbott is nothing short of a heroine as already alluded to on this thread.

I worked in the NHS myself during that era and absolutely things were in good shape, but only for the short term - privatisation has continued unabated for over 30 years and that is why it is now on its knees.

Absolutely many MPs would like to see the back of Corbyn, but those MPs are not in tune with the membership.

 

It's the electorate you need to be in tune with, and Corbyn's Labour are not. Labour voters are 3:1 against Brexit, Tory voters 3:1 in favour. Labour need to come out for a second referendum to ratify any deal passed by parliament. It's no good agreeing something only to find that arse Johnson takes over and kicks it all into touch. Labour has always been an internationalist party and need to stay that way. I don't know where you get the idea that Diane Abbott is an asset. I heard her in the radio the other morning and she was virtually incoherent.

 

If you can be bothered, read back on Abbott.

It’s also a bit simplistic to say that Corbyn is a nationalist or that the Labour Party or socialism is internationalist. The only thing it has always been (aside from the Blair era) is the party of the workers. The reality will always be a balance of both internationalism and nationalism and Marxist theory is stateless so neither internationalist nor nationalist.

The last thing we need is another referendum. There is widespread disillusionment in some quarters and apathy in others. Even in ideal conditions a referendum is not a smart way to settle and resolve such a complex issue. The best outcome from here would be a Customs Union Brexit.

 

Labour enabling Brexit will shed a quarter of their support. It's a betrayal and will help The Tories solve their self inflicted problem. Let them stew, in the end May will revoke Article 50, simply because she will have nowhere else to go. That will split the Tory party. Corbyn isn't smart enough to do it though.

 

Following through with Brexit is not a betrayal of anyone. Revoking it, however, would be.

Again, I don’t think winning votes is really a justification for anything. It’s just a sure fire way to never improve anything or bring about change. The needle is gradually moving toward Corbyn.

 

May can’t unite her own party behind her deal,what makes her think she’ll get the opposition to back her?Her ability to delude herself never fails to amaze me.First she cut and run with a disastrous election,then she got into bed with the DUP and now this