West Ham v QPR ( MD Thread )

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Really really pisses me off that I had to shell out not far short of £100 for my 17 yo son and me to watch another crap display by us
At this rate we'll be dead and buried before Christmas. The lack of quality and - from some not all - commitment was depressing. Surely players at this level can do the basics - pass to a team mate, at least sometimes anticipate where the ball is going....

If I were TF I'd be bringing in a motivator as manager and telling Rio to shut the f*uck up in the media until he starts earning his pay

I fear a challenge on Derby's record low points total!
 
Really really pisses me off that I had to shell out not far short of £100 for my 17 yo son and me to watch another crap display by us
At this rate we'll be dead and buried before Christmas. The lack of quality and - from some not all - commitment was depressing. Surely players at this level can do the basics - pass to a team mate, at least sometimes anticipate where the ball is going....

If I were TF I'd be bringing in a motivator as manager and telling Rio to shut the f*uck up in the media until he starts earning his pay

I fear a challenge on Derby's record low points total!

Was Fer as lazy and poor as he appeared on TV mate?
 
West Ham brush aside QPR to ensure dismal return for Harry Redknapp

West Ham 2 QPR 0

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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/05/west-ham-qpr-premier-league-match-report

Harry Redknapp’s autumnal trip down memory lane has proven a dead-end street for his Queens Park Rangers side. With defeats already suffered at his old haunts of Southampton and Tottenham, West Ham United completed the hat-trick thanks to Nedum Onuoha’s early own goal and Diafra Sakho’s second-half header. “It wasn’t great,” said Redknapp afterwards. That was an understatement.

Gary Neville’s post-match view – “diabolical” – was a touch closer to the truth. The result leaves QPR bottom of the pile but the manner of the result will sting as much as the consequences.

Toothlessness in attack and flakiness at the back is a toxic combination and both were in evidence here – only Everton have conceded more, only Burnley have scored fewer. Not that West Ham will mind. Sam Allardyce’s side claimed their second home win in succession with some ease despite a stop-start performance that failed to maintain its early sparkle.

“We’re short of goals and we’re short of goalscorers,” said Redknapp. “We lost Loïc Rémy right on the deadline and couldn’t get a replacement. It has not been easy. We’ve had a tough start but there’s an awful long way to go.”

A lack of goals, though, is not a new problem for this Rangers side – the list of teams who outscored them in the Championship last season includes Sheffield Wednesday, Middlesbrough and Bournemouth – and they fashioned only two chances of note here.

They both fell to Charlie Austin who created the first himself midway through the opening half after flummoxing James Tomkins on the edge of the box but planted his shot too close to Adrián. The second came courtesy of an immediate impact from Bobby Zamora following his half-time introduction from the bench, but Austin poked the substitute’s cross narrowly wide.

“If you can’t create a goal threat then the rest of the team comes under too much pressure and ultimately cracks,” said Allardyce, whose side are up to seventh. “We’ve suffered that ourselves in the past. When you’ve got a real goalscorer in your team it makes so much difference. Look at the difference that Diego Costa has made to Chelsea.”

Allardyce ensured that his side carried plenty of threat by picking an attacking XI with a front three of Mauro Zarate, Enner Valencia and Sakho, while Redknapp aimed for solidity by naming Karl Henry alongside Sandro in midfield.

The way in which the home team took the lead in the fifth minute, though, owed nothing to tactical tinkering. The excellent Stewart Downing swung in a corner and Onuoha inadvertently bundled into his own net from close range.

After an opening spell full of verve and swagger from the home side, during which Valencia should probably have put them two up but turned wide Sakho’s cross, Rangers improved and Austin’s two missed opportunities followed.

The home side’s strut had been sucked from them, and an equaliser was looking the more likely next goal when West Ham doubled their advantage. The irrepressible Zarate let fly from distance, a block saw the ball spin out to James Tomkins and the defender’s hook across goal was nodded in from little more than a yard out by Sakho.

Valencia thought he had made it 3-0 but saw his effort ruled out after intercepting Robert Green’s free-kick inside the penalty area (“I will check the rules,” promised Allardyce ominously) and Rangers huffed and puffed thereafter to little effect. Adrián was forced to tip wide a Nico Kranjcar free-kick and Adel Taarabt fizzed a long-range effort wide but the Hammers were comfortable. QPR seem in for a season that is anything but.

Man of the match Stewart Downing (West Ham)

Comments:-

"This feels even worse than the last relegation season. Ferdinand has been consistently awful and Redknapp's bizarre transfer policy has left us without a specialist right back. Attack is toothless, midfield is guileless and defence is gormless. Just awful."

"Redknapp out.. Moyes in"

"If this is to be a relegation season for the Rs then it could be the mother of all relegations unless they have made their peace with the Football League."
 
Was Fer as lazy and poor as he appeared on TV mate?

Certainly poor

In fact our central midfield constantly looked a yard (or more) off the pace

We looked more urgent when Zamora and then Tarbs came on, but the inability to really test Adrian in the WHU more than twice over the course of 90 mins is just poor

Whenever we go a goal down the players seem to lack the belief that we can really get back into the match - the parallels with are last spell in the PL are growing in my view
 
Certainly poor

In fact our central midfield constantly looked a yard (or more) off the pace

We looked more urgent when Zamora and then Tarbs came on, but the inability to really test Adrian in the WHU more than twice over the course of 90 mins is just poor

Whenever we go a goal down the players seem to lack the belief that we can really get back into the match - the parallels with are last spell in the PL are growing in my view

We looked a yard slower all over the pitch to me.

Well done for going. What was the mood among the faithful?
 
I imagine things will turn seriously ugly if we perform like that against Liverpool...

And that's televised as well, we're saving our most inept performances for the widest audience...

Bloody hell, is it?
That should guarantee some empty seats again!!
 
Well done for going. What was the mood among the faithful?

Frankly Col, getting fractious

Several guys next to me getting into a very heated argument over whether blame should lie with Rednapp, and only just cooling it before being ejected by the stewards

And my son saw two supporters throwing punches in the gents at the end of the game

I saw and heard plenty of differences of opinion amongst our supporters at Southampton too

Pretty inevitable given the poor performances IMO
 
Frankly Col, getting fractious

Several guys next to me getting into a very heated argument over whether blame should lie with Rednapp, and only just cooling it before being ejected by the stewards

And my son saw two supporters throwing punches in the gents at the end of the game

I saw and heard plenty of differences of opinion amongst our supporters at Southampton too

Pretty inevitable given the poor performances IMO

Mmm..................something has to give.
 
It's clear that the sum of our parts is nothing like it should amount to. The players are not all sh1te, it has to be the coaching and management. We currently offer no proper competition to anyone in this league when we should be doing so. Time for a big change of back room staff Tony.

Exactly as I see it. And it's been this way for about 18 months. Get Arry out FFS Tony
 
I'm on record as being staunchly "in 'Arry we trust".

That faith is being seriously tested. We have been appalling since Steve McLaren left. Really really clueless. I don't think we can carry on with what even David Pleat alluded to on one commentary today as hapless with HR, Kevin Bond, Joe Jordan and Glenn Hoddle as coaches. Today really was appalling, and it clearly is not set to change anytime soon.

TF. Over to you. Decision time.
 
I'm on record as being staunchly "in 'Arry we trust".

That faith is being seriously tested. We have been appalling since Steve McLaren left. Really really clueless. I don't think we can carry on with what even David Pleat alluded to on one commentary today as hapless with HR, Kevin Bond, Joe Jordan and Glenn Hoddle as coaches. Today really was appalling, and it clearly is not set to change anytime soon.

TF. Over to you. Decision time.

I really don't think TF will change a thing.

If Harry stays in charge and doesn't change his thinking, we will go down. No doubt!!
Today, he took off a player at half time (Hoilett) who was one of the few who actually looked like he gave a **** and was at least trying to attack. He left on Fer for the whole game!!
He didn't bring on Vargas when we needed goals!!

Clueless!!
 
Everything is Rosy for Big Sam, but not so Rosie for Harry - nothing yet from Harry, or Kevin Bond.

Harry's likely back in Sandbanks now, relaxing, having a nice cup of tea.

Awful timing this loss and team display going into the international break.

The whole lot of them should be back on the training ground first thing Monday morning.

Stewart Downing: West Ham boss Sam Allardyce praises midfielder

West Ham manager Sam Allardyce says Stewart Downing is the best midfielder in the Premier League on current form.
Downing, 30, had a key role in West Ham's 2-0 win over QPR, and been an influential performer in the club's rise to seventh after seven matches.
"I don't think there is anybody playing in midfield that is better than Stewart Downing," Allardyce said.
"He was my man of the match against QPR. The confidence is growing again in Stewart and he's showing his quality."

Allardyce signed Downing from Liverpool for £5m in August 2011, and the Hammers boss thinks he could force his way back into contention for England.

"I think so but that is another choice for Roy Hodgson," Allardyce added.
"The quality of Stewart Downing was a major factor why we beat QPR.
"The amount of ball we can get to him in that position in midfield, in a diamond, has been fantastic for him and for us."
Downing won the last of his 34 caps in England's 1-0 friendly win over Norway in May 2012.

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/29501097
 
Harry ' We just lack a bit of quality. I'll be looking a bringing a couple of top top lads in for the Jan window and Jermaine on a Thursday'

I really don't think TF will change a thing.

If Harry stays in charge and doesn't change his thinking, we will go down. No doubt!!
Today, he took off a player at half time (Hoilett) who was one of the few who actually looked like he gave a s**t and was at least trying to attack. He left on Fer for the whole game!!
He didn't bring on Vargas when we needed goals!!

Clueless!!

I too wondered why he took off Hoilett. Although Fer was poor I would have taken off Sandro who was on a yellow and well off the pace. There was no need for two holding midfielders when we were chasing the game. Zamora, Hoilett and Austin would have offered a better outlet. Swapping Hoilett for Zamora meant that we were still sat too deep for it to have any real effect.
 
I too wondered why he took off Hoilett. Although Fer was poor I would have taken off Sandro who was on a yellow and well off the pace. There was no need for two holding midfielders when we were chasing the game. Zamora, Hoilett and Austin would have offered a better outlet. Swapping Hoilett for Zamora meant that we were still sat too deep for it to have any real effect.

My lad was screaming at the TV for the team to get up the pitch and press. The back four were nearly on our 18 yard line most of the game and the entire team just stood off and let an average side out-play them.

We look so second rate. If I was Harry, I'd quit out of embarrassment!!
 
From the horse's mouth - same old, same old stuff:-

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/29501015

West Ham 2-0 QPR: Harry Redknapp says lack of goals a concern

Queens Park Rangers manager Harry Redknapp is concerned by the lack of goals from his front men following his side's 2-0 loss at West Ham.

An own goal by Nedum Onuoha and Diafra Sakho's header earned West Ham the win and leave QPR bottom of the Premier League.

Rangers have lost all four away Premier League games and have scored only once in seven-and-a-half hours of league and cup action on their travels.

Harry needs to teach them how to do this:-

[video=youtube;cTxWjxDrd1s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTxWjxDrd1s&feature=youtu.be&a[/video]
 
Off the BBC.

More from QPR manager Harry Redknapp:

"... We have to become difficult to beat, maybe we have to be a more boring 0-0 team and try to knick a goal because we can't be that expansive. We leave ourselves too open at the moment."

I thought this is what we were doing. We're ****ed aren't we?

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