Match Day Thread West Brom v Liverpool

That's probably fair and I don't remember too much other than the goals. Didn't he make an attacking substitution?
He's a bit better than someone who just wants his teams to defend against the big boys imo. He makes his teams difficult to beat through a well-organised and regimented whole team approach (the English Simeone lol but his MO is saving clubs from relegation with ambitions of mid-table safety at most).

 

I do remember this game. It was heartbreaking. But the thing I remember was my astonishment at Rodgers naïvety. And anger. It was absolutely moronic for Rodgers to chase a GD of 11+ when City had still matches to play. That guy has no concept of logic:

If City won their matches then they could increase that GD.

If city draw or lose points, then GD was not going to be a factor.

The other thing I remember was screaming that once the first goal was scored by Palace, he had to tighten things up and forget about GD and secure the 3 points.

I was so angry that the manager of a big club could think like a 7 year old. The guy is just not savvy enough.

 

Yep, bet you said exactly that at 55 mins into that game when Suarez made it 3 0

They got 3 goals in 11 minutes towards the end. We'd not done anything like that all season when we'd been hammering at teams for the full 90.

We had no choice, it was all or nothing. City won their remaining games. Finishing second on GD would have annoyed me more

 

He subbed Coutinho on for Sterling which wasn't too attacking at the time but in hindsight it seems like it changed the game on its head, for whatever reason.

I don't agree with the English Simeone tag (I know it was slightly tongue in cheek), the thing with Simeone he gets his teams to sit back so they can counter attack quickly and catch the opposition out of position. Pulis keeps players back simply to defend his area and stop the other team scoring. His teams play like most teams play when they get a red card.

 

That's exactly my point. City had full control of the situation. Even we had scored 8/9 goals against palace, City was still in control because they could go and try score more in their next match. But once palace scored 1 and 2 they had come into the match. Most people could see that scoring lots of goals was now out of question. So why not act? The number of times he gets found out by other managers is really surprising.

 

Well wtf you want like ffs? Jesus some people just cannot be pleased

City were ahead on GD level on points. If we didn;t score a massive amount of goals we were 2nd

We drew with Palace and oh **** you Brendan Look what you've done, now we'll only finish 2nd



Mate....

 

It was definitely ridiculous to be 3-1 up and have a 2v2 situation against players with the pace of Bolasie & Gayle, I think the players got caught up in the moment of us being 3-0 up and trying to make up for the loss against Chelsea.

But the truth is it was the Chelsea game that lost us the title, even had we won against Palace we still would've lost the title.

 

Especially when Everton were always gonna waltz about v City, the fans would have lynched the team on the field had they beat City.

 

City were vulnerable to pressure. With them nothing is secure. They nearly lost points to QPR and the title in the last day of the season FFS. For them to require a victory to win the title would have put pressure on them.

I am going to say it: Suarez nearly took us to the title, despite (not because of) Rodgers. This season showed this in spades.

 

Suarez was banging in goals at little better than the league average right up to the time Brod bought Cout and Sturridge in jan 2013 to play with him in attack, within a couple of weeks of signing them, by Feb 2013 Suarez goal ratio steadily climbed till he left the club. Brod also improved Sterling drastically too, who also helped Suarez be better

Inspite of Rodgers? Seriously matey, that is wrong and far too simplistic, I expect a manc to come out with that line

 

Maybe right regarding the oversimplification

I honestly think he has taken us as far as he can. Not his fault but it is time to give another man a chance.

 

Fair enough, we all have our opinions. I only fault him for his transfers, we knew when we signed him that he didn't have a lot of years under his belt, especially PL years, so he's gonna make mistakes, pff they all do, look at Jose and his catastrophe v PSG, totally Mourinho's fault they went out of the CL.

On that Suarez thing, I found this a while ago looking to bust that whole Suarez did it all on his own yarrgle. I ain't a big believer in coincidences. Conversion rate starts to fly up after we bring in his two buddies and combine them in attack.

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Klopp gets all the credit for Lewandowski's goals up till he left, but not Brod nope, it was in spite of him.

 

I agree that in the end goals win games and Suarez is a top top player we lost

However

1. The consistent bull about Rodgers being blameless or all at fail for signings depending on the side people are on is tosh. There are 5 men who picked rubbish, Rodgers is a major player in it as are others

2. Rodgers has zero humility and is up his own arse with constant big club comments that are unearned

3. Rodgers takes months to find a tactic then rigidly sticks with it until it's totally found out

4. Rodgers can't set up a defence

5. Rodgers likes to blames a lot of folks

6. Worst of all he likes the sound of his own voice


I've had its only going one way since November or December in my signature. If Rodgers continues in the job lfc will be in no mans land by next September/October

 

World Class players can only do so much. Suarez was fantastic for us but he wasn't carrying a **** team around him. People forget how good Sturridge was last season. Same with Sterling, Coutinho, Gerrard and Henderson. He was our top quality to push us to the top. Rodgers made the team so we played to his strengths which is great management.

But look at players like Di Maria, Ozil or Sanchez. Imo all world class players but haven't pushed there team onto greatness. A team can have all the tools to succeed but it's about the manager to set it out and make it work.

 

So are you saying Suarez and Rodgers pushed your team to greatness

 

Last season yeah. You have to play to your best players strengths, it's simple. If Di Maria was played on the wing and has a solid full back behind him and a decent striker he would shine at Man U.

Ozil needs better CDMs behind him and Sanchez needs better support from his attacking line.

 

But surely it`s folly to build a team around one player, take him out through injury, suspension or sale and the team falls apart. A team should be built so that if a player is missing a replacement can slot in and fill the spot without destroying the structure. I am not suggesting a player of the same quality, just one who knows the roll so the team can continue to play the same way.

 

Well summed up m8..^^^^^^^ couldn't agree more.

 

Not sure what the solution is after this season. No CL means we're going to bottom choice for any promising or proven star. I do think we should take the EL seriously though, it's a competition that deserves more respect and it is truly essential for a team and manager without experience to master the EL before expecting to progress anywhere in the CL. Just look at the rise of Atletico

 

You realise Arsenal won there first trophies for almost a decade after signing Ozil right? And are set to win the FA Cup for a second year running after adding Sanchez. I'd say the addition of those two has definitely started our climb back to greatness. Both have had a noticeable effect on the teams fortunes.

But I agree a team can have all the pieces required but the manager needs to put them together to make things work.

 

Are you suggesting ozil and Sanchez haven't performed? Sanchez has 20+ goals in his first season and Ozil has better stats than any creative midfielder going since the turn of the year (I was reading an article that had ozil and hazard as the two statistically best creative midfield players in Europe at the moment). Both are performing to a high standard this season and we are on track for a successful finish (still the possibility of 2nd, FA Cup, Community Shield).

I think I get the point your trying to make but you chose poor players to make the point