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Wenger in or out?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by lazarus20000, May 3, 2016.

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Wenger in or out?

Poll closed May 10, 2016.
  1. I want him to stay

    13 vote(s)
    43.3%
  2. I want him to leave

    17 vote(s)
    56.7%
  1. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    Since 2011 they appear to have spent quite a bit more than us yes. But are you suggesting that we don't spend money and that therefore Wenger is a man with integrity who isn't buying success?

    In 2011 PSG had a gash team and to build a team from nothing costs money. They had tons of money when taken over so why not do it. Are you suggesting that Wenger has integrity and only built our team without spending money but just by nurturing them from beginners at a young age? Of those anywhere near the quality to be near our first team, we have Bellerin and... er... who else? The rest are bought. PSG have Areola, Kimpembe, Rabiot all around their first team that they've developed from young nobodies. They do just as much developing youth as Wenger does. They've just also spent a ton to get first teamers in to get them to a point where they can challenge. Exactly like Wenger has done. He's just spent slightly less (but still a significantly huge amount of money which is now up to a big net level year on year without the big departures).

    I've shown you the current cost of the first XI of the two teams and they're not too dissimilar. Wenger is spending increasingly large amounts of money. not quite in the way that appeases most fans including myself, but he is doing it in significant amounts. Which surely dispels your point about Wenger having integrity and not trying to buy success. Because that is exactly what he's doing. He is buying. And if it's not for success then what's he buying for exactly? Stagnation?

    So you still haven't addressed your contradictory points. Is Wenger, or is he not, trying to buy success in your eyes? And if you think he isn't then why did he just spend £85m+ on three players this window instead of push through and develop some of his youth players? And if he is comfortable spending lots of money, then what else is the reason for him turning down PSG if it's not integrity or not buying success?
     
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  2. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Wenger isn't trying to 'buy success' in the same way that PSG did. I suspect you already know this, but want to argue over semantics because you're a pedant.
     
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  3. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    I'm not being semantic. I can't be bothered to argue with most people on here anymore. Apart from maybe Toledo because what he writes is funny. But you and AFCFTW... not worth it. Lethargy and time. This board is almost dead half the time anyway.

    But back to this... it's a genuine question... Why is that when Wenger spends big sums of money, it's not trying to buy success but when other clubs spend large sums of money it is? How can it possibly not be the same? Surely Wenger is spending £85m+ because he thinks those players will bring him success. So how is it any different?
     
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  4. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    So you don't want to argue, yet you do want to argue. And you're denying that you're a pedant <laugh>
     
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  5. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    Not trying to defend Cini, but it's clear that Wenger IS trying to buy success. But then again which manager doesn't when he has a transfer kitty, that is of course the point of it. For the past few years he's broken our record multiple times and brought in big time players like Ozil, Sanchez, Mustafi, Xhaka and Cazorla. We wouldn't be as competitive if he didn't bring those players in.

    The criticism he gets is the way he spends the money, which positions he brings in and the strategy he employs.
     
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    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    :emoticon-0173-middl <laugh>

    It's ok I prefer it when you don't reply to me, you almost always add nothing to a discussion and search for an argument wherever you can<ok>
     
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  7. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    He's finally strengthened in areas that we needed reinforcements, after years of scrimping and playing players out of position (CF is still an issue) but I do not accept that wenger is trying to 'buy success' in the same context that PSG did. Arsenal's approach has been a million miles from the likes of PSG, City and Chelsea.
     
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  8. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    Is it really? What's happened to all our youth project? All these so called up and coming players that was suppose to come through? The reality is they weren't good enough and most were moved on. His plan was to create a large stadium and revenue stream to be able to buy big players, which he succeeded in doing. There is no surprise why we won two back-to-back FA cups and win F-all with youngsters and cheapy transfers. If spending £35m each for a defender and defensive midfielder isn't buying success then i don't know what is.

    However, i'm not complaining, it's only natural that we are doing this, but i disagree that Wenger isn't trying to buy success like the rest, he's just doing it in a more restrained way.
     
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  9. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    But I just don't get how it is different. Both us and the 'money' clubs spend lots of money on positions that they have no developed in players in. Is it just cos their money comes from a rich dude rather than from having lots of fans are pumping money in?
     
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