Well thats me done for the year

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He said: “I don’t think they are helping the cause and there are too many that want to have a go at the manager, interim or not, or the players and I don’t think that is helping the players settle."

I don't think that is suggesting it's all our fault! there might be a few of the people who go along just to abuse the manager and players who might see themselves in that message, I don't join in with the obscene rhetoric of some so don't see his comments as being aimed at me.
 
Yes but...the whole point of being a supporter is to support - I'd have thought. Things aren't great right now. That's when the club needs its fans the most. Time to show some grit.
 
grumpygit said:
He said: “I don’t think they are helping the cause and there are too many that want to have a go at the manager, interim or not, or the players and I don’t think that is helping the players settle."

I don't think that is suggesting it's all our fault! there might be a few of the people who go along just to abuse the manager and players who might see themselves in that message, I don't join in with the obscene rhetoric of some so don't see his comments as being aimed at me.
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I agree with PT. He is not saying its the fans fault, he is just asking for the fans to back the players! There is so much negativity at Priestfield the away teams must sense we are there for the taking!
 
jayGills74 said:
I agree with PT. He is not saying its the fans fault, he is just asking for the fans to back the players! There is so much negativity at Priestfield the away teams must sense we are there for the taking!
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You'd have thought we were cast adrift at the bottom of div2 without a win :(

As it is, we have just had a record-breaking (for us) championship season, and are currently above the relegation zone in the higher div and on a run of 3 wins in 6. Things could be worse, a whole lot worse.

Anyone who thinks we are now shoite needs to remember the late 60's the early 70's and late 80's and early 90's. We very nearly never had a club at all. And we were regularly lower div2 playing terrible stuff in front of 3000 fans in a completely dilapidated stadium.

Wake up and smell the roses people. Take a look at some of the clubs in div2, the conference and even lower. Plus those that basically no longer exist. Some bigger and better supported clubs than us among them. We have absolutely no right at all to be where we are. It takes constant battles just to try to stay here.

And don't tell me about living in the past and having no desire. Yes, I'd love us to be challenging the top this year as well. But football doesn't (and never has) worked like that.

My rant over. Calm down neddily.....
 
Some good points Sir Keefy and in general i would agree. Personally i would not stop watching my team unless finances or time were not available to me. I think EagerExile has been a little unfair on throwoff at #4...and i really don't want this thread turning into arguments between members...so i hasten to add that i'm sure with throwoff having a little girl my aforementioned words in this post might apply...finances and time.

In truth the thing that gets inside me and this is not a Scally Out comment or even i prefer PT more than MA or visa versa...it just rubs me up the wrong way when I see not for the first time now, comments about the supporters from within the club. Ok, let me start by saying the vocal support on Saturday was rubbish to say the least, as i said in another thread, 2,800 out numbered in voice by 200. BUT that's the same where ever you go away these days. The problem...STERILE environments, you all know i am a great campaigner against them. Yes, at my age i need my seat to a certain degree but many young men could raise their voice if they could sit where they wanted and stand where they wanted...maybe i'm wrong.

However, the biggest problem here is the one way communication, it's ok to tell the supporters what we are doing wrong or not doing, or maybe just asking us to raise our voice...fair enough. But what about listening to us? This ST fiasco is still grating on me, the preseason communication letter, the herding at turnstile to be later apologised for, the constant battle between supporters and Lindley's re catering and then the latest of no minute's silence for Remembrance. Yes, some of these things have been since communicated or maybe even put right...but list this has a whole in just one season that's not even at the half way mark beggers belief.

I'l still be there on Saturday at Sheffield United, I will not boo my team but hey please don't take me for a mug GFC. Have some respect.
 
brb said:
Some good points Sir Keefy and in general i would agree.


The problem...STERILE environments, you all know i am a great campaigner against them. Yes, at my age i need my seat to a certain degree but many young men could raise their voice if they could sit where they wanted and stand where they wanted...maybe i'm wrong.
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However, the biggest problem here is the one way communication,
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I may need to sit down after this, but...... I couldn't agree with you more here brb :)

I suspect Priestfield is not alone in being an absolute morgue at times. And I agree it would be a whole lot better if fans (particularly behind the goals) could sit/stand where they want.

Watch any EPL games on the telly and the biggest thing for me is the complete lack of any atmosphere or singing now. And it never used to be like that at ANY ground in England. 'Back in the day' I have visited Old Trafford, Highbury, Upton Park, Selhurst, Portman Road, Goodison, and others before all-seater stadiums came in, and you often couldn't hear yourself think for the noise and atmosphere. And it didn't seem to matter if the football on show was dire or not. Remember also that for example Old Trafford only used to hold 48K, but they made a heap more noise than the 75K all-seater library that it is now. Arsenal is the same.

I do also agree that the communication from the club (and PS) hasn't been particularly great during his entire reign. I don't think PR is PS's strong point. ahem. This seems to be more the issue that throwoff is particularly aggrieved about and I can understand if it is. Bigger priorities in life than getting wound up every week when no-one listens.

Try to keep the faith throwoff. Things will (hopefully) get better.
 
Having read everyone elses posts let me clarify.

I am a supporter, I have been here through good times and bad. My first game was back when we were on the cusp of leaving the football league.

I have been there in the Championship, the long fall back to earth, through the Stimson mess, and yes the heady days of MA.
I don't often go away as finances dictate but I do travel to watch my team, anyone on here who thinks that because of my difficult decision I am not a 'true fan' can frankly piss off, I have seen the glory hunters come and go, seen them turn out to watch us lift the trophy and at Wembley then dissapear into the woodwork till the next 'occasion'. I have never once left a game before the final whistle, even in the piss rain and cold, I have volunteered to clear snow from the pitch when I had a season ticket so the free entrance meant nothing for me.

I have given Scally credit when he earnt it, not far down this board there is a post clearly crediting him with getting McDonald in. I appeciate the cheque he wrote when he saved us but I can no longer support him as we are.

I just cannot see myself anymore leaving my beautiful daughter on a Saturday to watch players who can't be bothered to put the effort in for a manager who got the job as an old friend of the chairman who doesn't have a bloody clue. Money is not even the decider as I am sure my dear dad would fund my tickets if I wanted him to, as he has before and I have been very grateful for.

I will still watch the live text and will miss the thrill of the match but I am just sick to death of the way we are being run.

Perhaps next season I will feel differently and return, whether we are league one or two I frankly don't care, I would go watch AFC Gillingham play at Gillingham Lines if we ever went pop completely but I need a break from Scally and his mess.
 
throwoff...all the best fella...certainly no doubt of your passion or your support from me. Love your sig by the way...lol
 
Dear Mr Throwoff

You do realise this means that you have to remain indoors on boxing day and prepare the dinner while your brother and I attend the football!!

Dad
 
I don't care, if its sit in the cold and watch this pile of dross or sit in the warm and drink I shall be drinking!
 
I have alot of sympathy with Throwoffs views, whilst I have been predominantly in the Scally supporters camp up to now, I do find some of the noises coming out of the club currently to be rather tasteless, I have been to see us less this year than at any time in the last 25 years and when I have been (both under Allen & Taylor) I have not been entertained other than seeing the win that guaranteed promotion (and we weren't great to watch that day), but I have never booed the players or the manager (or even the chairman), but the crowd and supporters have a right to air their views when we don't play well, but after the game not during it we do not need to make it harder for the team by being on their backs as soon as they misplace a pass. Where I will disagree with throwoff is over the heady days of Mad dog and the mess that was Stimson, I would rather watch Stimsons team over Allens every day of the week.
 
Blimey, I've NEVER been called a troll before!
If people have legit reasons for not going, fair enough - but there are plenty (on other forums - Facebook is rife with it) saying they're not attending games as some sort of protest. The point I was trying to make (bluntly, I admit) is that it is when the team is struggling that they need our support the most.
 
I actually agree with Taylor's sentiments. He isn't entirely blaming fans...he's saying they aren't helping the situation. This was almost right after a fan started abusing him after the Brackley game and he got in a war od words with him. He's angry. He's inherited a mess of a team and he hasn't had a chance to even make his stamp on it before fans have jumped on his back.

More than half our fans didn't like his appointment as interim and hoped we'd get someone else...although they never ever really found anyone better to name who would be better suited that Taylor.

The majority failed ot get behind him. Screw those haters.

He's not playing with his own choice of players. Everyone's whining about his tactics with those players acting as if Martin Allen's were spot on. We've won games this year but only the Crewe one I think we even deserved. The other's I have witnessed, we've been vastly out played by average League One teams.

He needs time and it might even take until he can make more moves in the January window until we truly see his vision and see substantial change.
 
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