Who said anything about size? Messi and Van Persie's strengths make them both hugely threatening players that no defender fancies playing against. Lukaku's strength is his strength. After several years of watching Welbeck, I still don't see what he's particularly good at.
He is a different player to hernandez.... hernandez is a goal poacher who runs in behind all the time. Different players used for different occasions so I disagree that Welbeck is above him in the pecking order
I think the only reason Welbeck starts for England is because of his link up play with Rooney. He's got quality but Lukaku is clinical with pace and power.
Depends what kind of striker your team needs. Because we have RVP, Rooney and Hernandez, we are better suited to an athletic striker with very good link up play, and who can play in the wide positions if required. Lukaku would not get much gametime if he was in our squad. However, if a team needs an out and out goal scorer and the rest of the team are going to focus on creating the chances for him, then Lukaku would be your best bet. So teams like Arsenal, Liverpool and probably Spurs would prefer Lukaku, while teams like United, City and probably Chelsea would rather have Welbeck.
I never get this kind of comment tbh, a strikers primary job is to score goals, the end. You usually find that decent footballers who play up front but aren't clinical in front of goal i.e. not great strikers, have their contribution justified with, "he contributes far more than goals", I find it laughable personally. Call me old fahsioned, but I prefer my strikers to score goals, the more the better.
Are you saying that just to wum, or do you really believe that? Football is all about partnerships. As a simplified example, partnerships between centre backs (one pacy, one tall & strong), central midfielders (one tackler and one creator), fullback and winger (attacking winger needs a defensive fullback, attacking fullback needs a winger who helps him out defensively) etc. Any team playing with two strikers needs them to have different strengths. If you only play with one striker all alone up front then yes of course you need a clinical finisher, hence my reasoning behind saying that Arsenal and Liverpool would prefer Lukaku. However United would not work with two Hernandez's. If you have a clinical striker already you gain more benefit by having a striker alongside him that helps with the build-up play, rather than another fox in the box. I'll say it again. Do you honestly believe that United's squad would be better off with Welbeck or Lukaku, School of Science? They would both be fourth choice striker, but Welbeck contributes nicely when playing wide left or right which Lukaku would not be as good at, and I believe Welbeck would form a better partnership with our third choice striker Hernandez, who is a clinical finisher. If he played with Lukaku one of them would need to drop deeper and link up play, while they are both better at being the most advanced striker. I agree that ultimately a striker's responsibility is to score goals, and that is how they are judged. But there are other elements to football as well. A defender's main job is to defend, but most top clubs expect their central defenders to be comfortable on the ball as well. It's no use tackling wonderfully, and then passing it straight to a teammate or into the stands. Wingers are judged on their dribbling, crossing and general attacking play, but a winger who tracks back and helps out defensively is a prized commodity. Think Antonio Valencia vs Nani, by just about any standard Nani has all the qualities to be judged a much better winger than Valencia. Yet Valencia would be most United fans' first choice winger in a big match. Honestly, who would you say has been United's best striker over the past 10 or 15 years? By your definition it would have to be RVN by a long way, since all he did was sit in the box and score tons of goals. Yet he contributed exactly nothing to the build up play.
Then we agree. If you were a manager given the choice of 2 strikers at the same price & one was Lukaku & the other Welbeck, if you chose the latter, you'd be barking imho.
Then you are an imbecile. Clearly you have not read much of my (lengthy) post, I'm not going to bother reiterating my point again, it's clearly lost on you. To answer your question, if I was buying one of those strikers and my main striker was a clinical striker like Hernandez/RVP/Dzeko/Ba/Defoe, then I would pick Welbeck. If my main striker had a good all-round game like Rooney/Tevez/Aguero/Suarez then I would pick Lukaku. And if I had three good strikers already but I only had three wide players (like United at the moment), then I would definitely pick Welbeck. Don't worry, I don't expect you to see it my way, you clearly see things differently. My response is mainly for any other fans reading this thread...
Lukaku is not best strikers around at the moment , i will put Ba ahead of him , so if i buy him, it will only be for the future, where he could be good or not Welbeck can be more useful if i already have alike RVP and rooney upfront and need more link up and hard work, if i buy Lukaku he will be 4th in picking order for a target man, behind RVP, Rooney and Chicha...
I don't think Welbeck works any harder than most players. True, he often has to do a lot of chasing back to try and win back the ball he's just given away from some sloppy link up play but it's kind of unwanted hard work.
he close them down too in their own half which is important to stop them attacking and take the ball for a counter .. in every team we need someone to do the dirty job... especially when you have the alike of rooeny and RVP who almost play every game, you can't expect them to close down at every game and trace every ball back trying to build and attack from the back. against Everton, yes RVP did traced the ball back, but that effected him at the end and his finishes after a run were not perfect, his legs were a bit heavy as a result of helping out .. i rather him focus on the attack and be fresh enough to do the runs with full energy and score
so he's Ji Sung Park. except Park was often picked for the big away games. Danny Boy wasn't selected for City, Chelsea or Liverpool away. got a sneaking feeling that he might get the nod tonight though as it could be a good game for a non-goalscoring striker. never rated Park either.
yes .. he is kind Park, but so younger to improve more and he plays much more higher than park and more a winger than Park. yes he wasn't selected away in those 3 games, because alike Park, he is playing more up, and in those games you need more bodies in mid will not be surprised to see him playing today though i think this is where we are different, as i rated Park (until last season when his form dropped guess bcz his age and thus couldn't put much energy as before)
he plays as attacking winger not a striker in UTD at the moment he scored many goals for england when playing as a central striker
