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Daily Racing Thread Wednesday 14th. July 2021

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by attivo, Jul 13, 2021.

  1. Grade One

    Grade One Well-Known Member

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    Callan had his Winner, but not on this horse!
     
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  2. Ron

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    I assume the Tote odds are a guide and can't be taken. The 17.55 Killarney has Mehnah at 7.3 and has an 80/1 shot at 8.0, a 25/1 shot at 9.2, 11/2 shot at 47, 50/1 shot at 19.1 etc
     
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  3. SwanHills

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    Shout, LordGyllene, well done! <ok>
     
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  4. SwanHills

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    Think I'll have a flutter on trainer J.C. Rouget's Saiydabad in the Grand Prix de Paris (19:20). His overall form from 4-starts is excellent. Poorly-drawn again in trap 1, but should still run a good race. Top jockey C. Soumillon gets the ride.
     
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  5. Grendel

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    Bailey's Liberty was dire tonight, I should have known that pot luck Johnston was not to be trusted. If she hadn't drifted I would not have been on.

    The two with Handicap Ratings were both a bit disappointing, especially Poderoso who only managed to beat Ideal Guest by a short head. Ideal Guest showed some promise after being outpaced and he stayed on into 5th place, finishing more than 4 lengths ahead of Bailey's Liberty, which was something you would probably have got good odds about coming into the race.

    Bailey's Liberty has clearly run miles below her 76 rating tonight and that Handicap Mark looks a joke based on this evening's showing.

    I didn't get a chance to answer Stick's query regarding Thatsthefinest but I had discounted that one based on a Racing Post Rating of 15. Horses can come forward a lot from their first run for sure but he was at level weights today with a horse rated 79.

    I would expect Ideal Guest to go over 6F next time and he could have a race in him.
     
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  6. Janabelle13

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    Hurricane Lane gets the job done again
     
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  7. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

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    My one claim to fame is that in about 2014 when Callan had made a good name for himself I was just ahead of him and his family in the queue at the British Consul. Clocked him and noticed he had his hands full with his young children. At one point he put down his sunglasses and forgot to pick them up. He moved to the other end of the room we were in, so I went across and picked them up. Now Hong Kongers are bonkers about racing and betting so if they'd realised who it was there'd have got overexcited. I handed them back to him and pointed that out. He agreed and thanked me for recovering that and not outing him. A nice bloke I'd judge.
     
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  8. stick

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    Hurricane Lane 1st, Wordsworth 2nd, who would have thought that those two colts would turn out to be 3yo's to follow this season............
     
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  9. Grendel

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    That was so easy for Hurricane Lane. He had a good few pounds in hand on the ratings and so it proved. If Aidan O'Brien was trying to set it up for Wordsworth to win, all he did was ensure that Hurricane Lane was a shoo-in today.

    The French horses are total duff and their jockeys have zero brain cells. All they ever do is sit well back and then try to come with a late run. I don't know how many of the foreign raiders just go off in front or close to it and then get first run on the French jockeys.

    What can be causing the dearth of decent French horses over the past few seasons? No wonder St Mark's Basilica did the double in the colt's Classics in France.

    After that run it would seem folly to bypass the Arc with Hurricane Lane. The ground will likely bring stamina into play and there are very few realistic players in the Arc field.

    I saw someone else muse that Alenquer had the measure of Hurricane Lane through Lone Eagle but, as I had suspected, that was a spurious form line and Alenquer could not get the better of Wordsworth, who isn't a Group 1 horse. He's been placed in Group 1 races but has been thumped in them and didn't beat blatant pacemaker The Mediterranean by much more than a length this evening. It says everything that the French team could not muster one horse to get past a blatant 33/1 sacrificial pacemaker and they can sweep that lot of trash into the nearest wheelie bin and not soil the Arc field with their presence. Maybe it was the camera angle but I could swear I saw a tree come past Cheshire Academy at one stage of the race.

    Andre Fabre, Jean-Claude Rouget, Emmanuel Macron, Francois Hollande, Charles De Gaulle, Napoleon Bonaparte.......your boys took a hell of a beating.
     
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  10. PNkt

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    Someone on Twitter pointed out that Hurricane Lane is the first Derby winner (Irish or Epsom) to win again during his 3yo season since Capri in 2017.
     
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  11. SaveTheHumans

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    I saw the race, it was no more than a canter for him as well. Nice job Hurricane Lane.
     
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  12. SaveTheHumans

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    Extremely subjective, so many variables involved here to determine what you could classify as good. Anything above 0% is obviously fine but I feel if you put an awful lot of time and effort into systems and the like then you would be needing to hit around the 15-20% ROI to make a living from it. How many bets are you making a year, stake sizing etc, you will need to track all this to determine your overall ROI over a long period of time, which I am sure you're doing by the sound of it. If you are putting a massive amount of time into it though, realistically I would say 20% ROI to make it even worthwhile over the course of a year. As I have found through experience, many people are capable of achieving this but not many do due to very poor bankroll management and a total lack of discipline in the long run.
     
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  13. LordGyllene

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    Runs again today in the opener at Worcester. Will take another chance on this one.
     
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