I suppose every club has it's plastic fans who act like spoilt brats. But as the OP says Arsenal have to be dignified when it comes to replacing Wenger, the bloke does not deserved to be sacked, but I think he needs to recognise that his time is coming to an end. I still maintain though that we have to try and get a manager who can do a better job otherwise it's going to be a step backwards.
I agree on this. He's done far too much for Arsenal to be treated in a bad way. But there also needs to be real change and the management needs to see that Wenger can only take them so far. I'm not asking for trebles and backto back titles, but we should be close to winning it, and in particular this season, top or very near it. He really has struggled to get his players motivated this season, which I find very worrying for a veteran manager and a team he has entirely put together for years.
I'm sorry RCL, I respect your views, but this post is nonsense. There is no denying Wenger's tenure at the club will, overall, be judged as a success because even apart from the league titles and domestic cups he won, he transformed the landscape of football. But this is the problem - so long as people keep talking about what he's done for us in the past and how well he's done in revolutionising football in England in the past, it will continue to feed into his ego and he will be reluctant to step down because he will continue to survive based on past glories of a bygone era. The reality is that he has had over a decade to assemble a title-winning team, a team that is capable of competing for major honours and competing in Europe. Two FA Cups in the last decade does not compensate for his gross mismanagement, bizarre transfer strategies, inflexible tactics, stubbornness to not thoroughly upgrade on personnel, persistent injuries to players throughout the season and lack of motivational skills. Him staying at the club has meant that we've missed out on some real potentially top class managers. And why? Because we're scared that someone else 'may' do worse if he leaves? But isn't that a risk with every new manager that comes in? I mean, really, what says more about a lack of ambition than that? It's been said before, but it is scarily easily to anticipate how our season is going to go because we either start well and finish limping over the line or we start horrendously but then go on title-winning form toward the end of the season, doing just enough to get the last place in a competition we have no intention of winning and can't wait to get out of come February. The fans rejoice and say "It will change next Summer", nothing changes, rinse and repeat. It's a vicious cycle. We are still suffering the same problems of many years ago even when we have money available to spend, so what excuses does AW have now for failing to bring success back to Arsenal? In a time where Chelsea, City and United have all been underperforming, this was meant to be our chance to grasp the league with both hands because we won't get a better chance. And yet we're allowing a side who were almost relegated last season to become favourites. The man refuses to be held accountable for our problems and won't accept his strikingly obvious faults. It's not even hard to beat us nowadays yet he has not demonstrated that he can provide a different type of threat for when our gameplan is not working. I just don't see the value of keeping him on at the club anymore. It looks as if the players don't believe in him either. You talk about us showing him a lack of loyalty, but we've been patient enough for the last 10-12 years. How much longer do we need to wait for Wenger's Arsenal to come good?
That is quite simply wrong. We could replace AW with any one of a huge number of managers of equal ability, but who would be paid significantly less, and proportionate to what they offer. AW is paid a king's ransom to deliver not a great deal. If we're OK treading water and not doing much, let's at least save money while we do it. At the moment we're rewarding mediocrity at a disproportionate level... if we start weeding that out right at the very top then hopefully we can start continuing that process through the squad.
No outside influence, his decisions on the pitch and his players for the past decade. He is the only top manager in the league to have an uninterrupted run at his club and we've seen the same old problem surface year after year, even with better world class international players at his disposal. What other explanation is there that he hasn't got it. He has never had a better chance and never will in the future of winning the title. Everything was there, but he was unable to get his players motivated enough to go on any run. They look like a shadow of themselves at the moment, the title is there for the taking but they are petrified. The players and manager need to be help accountable for their lack of fight. So many top international players in our team yet they have their heads down at such a pivotal part of the season. I can understand if we were up against Barca, Real or Bayern in the league, but we aren't, and frankly, there is NO EXCUSE OF NOT SHOWING FIGHT! This will do down as Wenger's worst ever season without a shadow of a doubt.
You think it's right to replace him with somebody who can't do a better job then ? Example of why we shouldn't listen to those who want him sacked tomorrow.
I've seen one person say they want him sacked as soon as possible (never going to happen) - and even that's probably just frustration boiling over. The consensus is that he should leave at the end of the season. I'm not sure why you need to use extreme examples of one individual to make a (redundant) point.
Stan Kroenke's recent musings on his football club ownership. Wenger is almost certainly a problem but the biggest problem is that a fish rots from the head down and there's a bad smell in the boardroom: “If you want to win championships then you would never get involved. I think the best owners in sports are the guys that sort of watch both sides a bit. If you don't have a good business then you can't really afford to go out and get the best players unless you just want to rely on other sources of income. “Over there [in the Premier League] it was sort of like 'well, we've got guys from the Middle East, the oil price is over $100, they can spend anything they want'. “But the problem I saw with all of that; those people can lose interest. It doesn't mean that they will, but I sort of threw that out there: 'What happens when the Middle Eastern family, this thing's costing a lot of money and they decide to go home?' I said what really happens in those situations is the fans get hurt because the players get picked up and paid if they're good, the front office gets other jobs.” “What did I learn specifically [from England]? You learn very quickly what that brand means, we have a gentleman who comes to Arsenal games, he flies his helicopter from South Africa, Cape Town to London quite often. It’s just an example of what a brand can mean, and what we can do in sports. We’re all working on that and that’s the big opportunity. Michael Jordan showed it - you can get paid a whole lot more if you can extend your brand. Manchester United showed it. They established benchmarks that people had thought heretofore unattainable, but their brand extension made people want to pay for it.”
We should all be prepared for change, and that includes Wenger leaving. Its frustrating that our Management show so little ambition on the pitch, but then should we be surprised? Wenger is the safest manager out there, guaranteeing consistent revenues to the club.
And that is the reason Brenden Rogers when he asked for Sanchez got Ballotelli instead.We might end up having several more nights like the one you had in istanbul for what you had..Van Gaal and United,yourselves and all the money you people have spent and also tottenham couldnt even finish in the top 3 or 4 for years and are sucking to do that,so while he made a profit for the club to pay off the new stadium which will make us finacially stable every year,he kept us in a decent level of performance while playing an attractive style of football meaning we didnt bleed fans,we had something to cheer for and since he got money he has overhauled most of the squad brilliantly and got us back to back FA Cups...who knows he might still win the league after all its not seasoned veterans like United,City or Chelsea ahead of us but only Leicester and Tottenham.
What's your point? What has Sanchez helped us achieve that we couldn't without him? We 'might'? Is that it? Hope? You're ignoring the point he. Finishing top 3 or 4 should be seen as a means to an end. What end goal is there for us finishing top 4? How has it helped us? All top 4 seems to do is help us finish top 4 the year after. Pointless and circular until AW leaves and then it might actually have a purpose. Are Spurs and Liverpool not financially stable? And now that we ARE financially stable, that point becomes moot so in that respect you're agreeing he should now move on? Subjective and all depends on what you're willing to put up with and how low your expectations are . What?? What have we had to cheer for that has only arisen because of finishing top 4? You're right... he has an incredible squad right now who've ONLY lost 12 games this season including three home games in a row. Brilliant. This is it. This is the positive. Your one positive. More blind hope not backed up by any previous form this season or in any of the last 12.
Think I was kind of shocked / surprised at how some were so cruel and dismissive of Wenger (especially him winning the fa cup for the past 2 yrs). I get where you are coming from and wouldn't have stuck my nose in if every argument had been as calmly and well explained as yours... The lack of loyalty comment and plastic comment was aimed at them to be honest.
The point you are all missing is that you are good! Even over the last ten years he has got you a higher league position than any previous manager on average. It is really very likely that any new manager will do worse.
Don't listen to this guy, he's a Spurs fan, he's the devil in disguise, coming to us like a friend bringing good news. Be gone! I CAST YOU OUT FROM WHENCE YOU CAME
Nothing would delight me more as a Spurs fan than you sacking Wenger. Perhaps we might then finish above you, which was pretty much always the case in the first 15 years of my life until Bertie Mee somehow got you to win the double out of nowhere. Looking at the previous few years that was nearly as much of a shock as Leicester this year.
Well how do you finish higher than Top 3 or 4 when you have to make a 25m profit every season on transfers,meaning selling your best players every year?So in these restrictions along with the rise of city and chelsea it was a masterclass managerial performance.
If that new manager cost less then obviously yes...I'm not sure what the difficulty is that you're having comprehending this. Why would you pay Wenger a kings ransom to do nothing but finish top 4 when someone else could do that for quarter of the salary?
What has what got to do with anything? You do realise more money means better players,less money means lesser players generally but he not only did not have any money but had to make money which he did while keeping us afloat,if you cannot grasp that..its useless to even pay attention to your comments.
