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EalingBlue said:
Remember that season well, we will never know how it could have panned out of Casiraghi hadn't got crocked (and career ended) so early on.
Had a season ticket in the East Upper in those days. The row behind us must have been bought up by an agency, and was ALWAYS taken up by casuals and away fans. I remember that Leicester game being particularly feisty and a few words were exchanged!
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I remember reading Dennis Wise's autobiography, he was ****ing pissed after that game!!
Oh yeah Casiraghi.
I have a vivid memory, of me and my friend Simon, who was a Blackburn Rovers fan, arguing over him, because both Chelsea and Blackburn were in for him that summer and he chose to sign with us (presumably due to the Italian connections, with Zola, Vialli and Di Matteo), and I remember when we signed him, being totally pissed off my head, as a 16 year old, on Mad Dog 20/20, running down Fenny Stratford high street chanting, "We signed Casi-****ing-Raghi...YEEAAHHHH!!"

<doh>
 
King Ossie64 said:
Easy really, an attack is only one part of a team, Barca used to have the best midfield in Europe with Iniesta and Xavi who have lost their effectiveness in supplying that would be great attack. Like Lampard & Mr Slippy they are still good players but no longer as influential as they were. Also that defence that was once good is now hanging on to being ordinary.

In short Barca, yes still a good team but now not in the top 5 in Europe's elite.
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Well I guess we'll see by the end of the season. My point was that they're not done as a major European force, they can still beat anyone on their day and have an academy that has produced great players consistently.

Super_Chelsea_Blue_Boys said:
Except Hazard and Costa. You'd be foolish to think any team in Europe wouldn't find a way to get them in their team.
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Hazard's hugely overrated. A great player but far too inconsistent and wouldn't trouble the likes of Neymar, Suarez, Ribery, Robben, Bale, James and Ronaldo for a place at their clubs.

As for Costa, he's perfectly suited for the Premier League so it's no surprise to see him doing well. Again, he wouldn't trouble Lewandowski, Messi or Aguero for their places and I highly doubt they'd change their style just to fit him in either. It's like how Fabregas didn't fit into the Barcelona set up, or Mata didn't fit into Mourinho's Chelsea side. It's not a question of overall ability but having the right skills to fit into the team.
 
Chelsea won't have too much trouble dealing with Barca. Even at their peak, Chelsea were the team that Barca struggled against most. Chelsea would just kill Barca on the counter these days. Barca faced two big teams (PSG and Real Madrid) this season, and they lost both games. In both, they got caught on the counter. Their midfield can't control games like they used to do, and their defence has never been the same since Puyol retired, also Pique and Alves are a shawdow of their former selfs. The big threat is their front three, but Chelsea have the best defensive manager in the world, so he will find a way to limit their threat, while the Barca coach would not havea clue on how to stop the counters from Chelsea.
 
Also, I see that Atheltico have not really been mentioned in this thread as a possible threat, but they really should. Despite losing a few key players, they are still a force to be reckoned with. Simeone is one of the best managers around at the moment and he can organise a team that can beat anybody on their day.
 
Yid Vicious said:
Hazard's hugely overrated. A great player but far too inconsistent and wouldn't trouble the likes of Neymar, Suarez, Ribery, Robben, Bale, James and Ronaldo for a place at their clubs.
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I'd have him at Arsenal over Neymar <whistle>
 
Yid Vicious said:
Well I guess we'll see by the end of the season. My point was that they're not done as a major European force, they can still beat anyone on their day and have an academy that has produced great players consistently.



Hazard's hugely overrated. A great player but far too inconsistent and wouldn't trouble the likes of Neymar, Suarez, Ribery, Robben, Bale, James and Ronaldo for a place at their clubs.

As for Costa, he's perfectly suited for the Premier League so it's no surprise to see him doing well. Again, he wouldn't trouble Lewandowski, Messi or Aguero for their places and I highly doubt they'd change their style just to fit him in either. It's like how Fabregas didn't fit into the Barcelona set up, or Mata didn't fit into Mourinho's Chelsea side. It's not a question of overall ability but having the right skills to fit into the team.
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I think Hazard would do a lot better in Spain consistency wise where he wouldn't be double marked most games and there's a load of weak defensive sides he could bully. Hazard is up there with Ribery and James IMO though the others are probably a level above granted. Hazard would probably get into any team other than Real and Barca but then they've had players like Robben, Ibrahimovic and Sneijder over the years bench warming so that's no slight either.
 
Look at that list of players and you will see only James and Neymar are around Hazard's age. Rodriguez hasn't really set Madrid alight just yet and in 3 years time Hazard could easily be as good as the upper tier players in that list.
 
King Ossie64 said:
Easy really, an attack is only one part of a team, Barca used to have the best midfield in Europe with Iniesta and Xavi who have lost their effectiveness in supplying that would be great attack. Like Lampard & Mr Slippy they are still good players but no longer as influential as they were. Also that defence that was once good is now hanging on to being ordinary.

In short Barca, yes still a good team but now not in the top 5 in Europe's elite.
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It took a few seconds but I ended up laughing out loud in the office at this. Nice one Oz
 
Yid Vicious said:
Well I guess we'll see by the end of the season. My point was that they're not done as a major European force, they can still beat anyone on their day and have an academy that has produced great players consistently.



Hazard's hugely overrated. A great player but far too inconsistent and wouldn't trouble the likes of Neymar, Suarez, Ribery, Robben, Bale, James and Ronaldo for a place at their clubs.

As for Costa, he's perfectly suited for the Premier League so it's no surprise to see him doing well. Again, he wouldn't trouble Lewandowski, Messi or Aguero for their places and I highly doubt they'd change their style just to fit him in either. It's like how Fabregas didn't fit into the Barcelona set up, or Mata didn't fit into Mourinho's Chelsea side. It's not a question of overall ability but having the right skills to fit into the team.
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Agree that Project is a level below those stars, but this season he has been incredibly consistent: him and Matic have been superb every match. He will get to Ribery's level and possibly Robben's soon.



Don't think Costa is far behind Lewandowski.
 
Bodanki' said:
Aye thats my point.
That year the league finished
1. Man Utd 79pts
2. Arsenal 78pts
3. Chelsea 75 pts

Was so close! We threw it away at home to West Ham (losing 1-0 ****ing Kitson) and 2-2 home game against Leicester. Those games still haunt me to this day.

Anyway, Utd had HUGE amounts of luck that year, we nearly did em at Old Trafford. finished 1-1 and Babayaro had a belter of a shot right at the end that beat Schmeichel but hit the post!
Then there was Giggs little moment of magic against Arsenal in the FA Cup semi.
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And big Pete's penalty save right before that.
Manu = Out buy everyone + Loads of Luck!
 
Jimmy Floyd said:
Watching the game tonight i realised only bayern and madrid could really claim to be better than chelsea this year.

no-one domestically can touch us either.

A treble/quadrouple looking at tings realistically, is a very realistic target.

Lets go get it!!!!
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To win the big 4 competitions requires the squad to remain largely injury free. I'd be well pleased with the FA Cup and Premier League - am I easily pleased ??????? :D:emoticon-0157-sun:
 
StanDMan said:
And big Pete's penalty save right before that.
Manu = Out buy everyone + Loads of Luck!
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Man Utd made hard work of the league that season, to many draws against crap teams that season but were easily the best team plus Schmeichal saving a pen is not luck but skill.
 
Falcao9 said:
Man Utd made hard work of the league that season, to many draws against crap teams that season but were easily the best team plus Schmeichal saving a pen is not luck but skill.
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Its equal parts really, the keeper has to go the right way and watch the penalty takers movement/feet position etc to decide where he thinks it will go.
But also if the penalty taker hits it too low, or too central instead of blasting it into the top corner, which is pretty much unsaveable (see David Luiz's penalty V Bayern in the 2012 CL final).....thats luck on the keepers part.
 
chelsea - over 100 years of history said:
Just had a tenner on City at 6-1 to win the league just in case!!
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haha, whenever I went up to watch WH I used to put a couple of quid on whoever we were playing to win so at least if we lost I could buy a few beers, but better hope United don't win it or you'll have 2 reasons, I think you would've been better putting money on Chelsea not winning.to be pissed off.
 
Miggins said:
haha, whenever I went up to watch WH I used to put a couple of quid on whoever we were playing to win so at least if we lost I could buy a few beers, but better hope United don't win it or you'll have 2 reasons, I think you would've been better putting money on Chelsea not winning.to be pissed off.
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With all the money you must have made I bet your a nigh on alki. ;)
 
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