I don't wish to get caught up in your historic slanging match but I thought that the CTWD campaign is based on the single objective of opposing the name change - any respect they give is their own and may their next **** be a hedgehog for doing so!
Oh yes there is. Obi off CI How do we pay back £70 million? 1. Come to an agreement with the Council and the land. Increase the capacity and build an hotel and other fascilities. Share the revenue between the club and the council. 2. Look to increase the commercial income on the ground. I think EDG Wright (aka Stuart Blampey) did a write up on not606 on his experience at the Etihad and how Man City encouraged supporters to stay around the ground before and after the match and spend money. 3. Increase sponsorship, both locally, nationally and internationally. CTWD have had coverage all around the world, coverage which could just result in increased sponsorship. 4. Sort out the shop and build the supporters base. How much of our recent attendances have come from kids for a £1 tickets? 5. Some of our supporters would be prepared to put in more than the minimum to help the Trust where the minimum buys a season pass. 6. Finally we elect a President for 5 years. The election would, of course be based on how much sponsorship both individually and from his/her friends, they would bring into the club. £30 million would give us £20 million to spend on wages and players and £10 million to repay the debt. Sounds simple? With hard work it could happen. We are a Premier League club with a potential worldwide audience of billions. We are no longer little old Hull we could be with imagination and hard work become an established Premier League team that in time can compete in Europe. City girl put this after that wages are 40 mill a year ... work with that So you put Get revenue to £80m a year and we can. Followed by Exiled Not far off the mark and how many big European clubs do it. The big question is how big is the GIFT to the city that we are still waiting to hear and then what REMAINING debt repayment terms do the family and AA want? Just because it hasn't been done before (in the UK) doesn't mean it's impossible. The reason supporters trusts have the record they have in the UK is not many allow for the philanthropic president model and almost all have only ever been done from a position of deep crisis. Impossible ? We are from Hull FFS - impossible is what we do. It's what our fathers and grandfathers did when they rebuilt our city, it's what we did when we saved the club before, it's what we did when we won promotion, it's what we did to get back again, it's what people said about going in for city of culture, **** impossible and the horse it rode in on. The premier league with its global reach and mega TV money makes it easier to do than in league. Al Rawadh put( he is on the committe?? yes) It's important to stop thinking in terms of the current £70m debt. That will never be recovered, be it an oligarch buy out or a gradually growing fans representation of the board. Hull City is worth no more than £15-20m, that's the max buying price. Allam has to swallow the £50m come-what-may. So yes your doing it by stealth trying to undermine Mr Allam constantly with an end game. Your continual name calling of him. Bonkers, old duffer, mad. You continued assertion that Ehab isnt supportive of his dad, when he seems a step behind his dad througohut their time at the club.
They've been clear from the off that they respect AA for all he has done for the club. Their views on AA are clear & documented on their website. As early as their first meeting they were clear that although currently a single issue group they may eventually support other issues & even strive to become an independent supporters group. They have no opposition to AA owning the club & are not trying to force them out. "The campaign isn’t a protest against AA or his family. It isn't a protest against the way they've run the football club or an attempt to force them out. CTWD are eternally grateful that AA guaranteed the future of the club by securing the debt run up by the previous regime. Without his input the club would have faced liquidation." I believe the CTWD campaign is quite clearly a supporter of AA's ownership & is respectful of his ownership. I wouldn't support or contribute to them if it wasn't
Quote Craigy Pissy Pants Quote Originally Posted by Sir Cheshire Ben View Post Speaking of rewriting history & that's from only a half hour previous. It was you that said they were "same as everyone elses on that day", not me. Although you have now rewritten that bit to "plenty of quotes in there that were the same as mine" Hope you don't mind the quotes instead of a link. Do you think I carefully read every comment on 35 pages before I said that?...Of course not. It was a general comment about the tone of the thread and that my posts were in line with the majority. At least you have confirmed on this thread that your opinion of our owners has changed because we're now in the Premier League, which is good. I've made it clear three times now that I changed my mind about them after their subsequent investment in the club, but you continue to ignore those replies and instead prefer to peddle this "I only like them now we're in the BPL slur." "Since that day Mr Allam has put his money where his mouth is and supported the team significantly enough to gain promotion to the BPL" I see you're para-phrasing out of context again to fit your own preferred translation. What I actually said was: Since that day Mr Allam has put his money where his mouth is and supported the team significantly enough to gain promotion to the BPL and also buy a full team last summer. He also had the ambition to bring in a manager of SB's calibre. Why would I try to rewrite anything? If I did my whole point would be invalid, instead it highlights your hypocrisy to all. You wouldn't produce the link when you originally started the slur. I asked you to post it about 4 times, but you ignored me and then only sent it as a PM. That shows your only intention was to use quotes out of context for your petty grudge against me. At the moment I'm happy with reminding people what others & yourself are trying to forget you posted last year. At the moment you sound like a vindictive fifteen year old girl. Quote Craigy Pissy Pants I PM'd you the link to protect you from looking like a tit, you did the damage yourself. I only ever posted in context, you know it & the threads can be produced to show as such. I don't get to deal with many vindictive 15 year old girls but if they debate by producing evidence to substantiate their views without trying to go around in circles. Highlighting inadequacies & weaknesses in people's opinions, behaviors, values & principles then yes I'm a menstruating teenager. If you truly believe I'm being vindictive then you may be feeling bullied. If this is the case then that was not my intention. As I said previously of all the hypocritical turncoats you were by far the least abusive. Now in line with my newly acknowledged status I'm going to hissy fit at every opportunity, change my jam rag & start some poll threads to get rid of you & some mods, can you lend me a dummy?
I once played a game of pants down killer with an ex city player and that very subject came up. He did indeed confirm that Deano was the thickest footballer he'd ever encountered.
*YAWN* I will be supporting our local football team, no matter what they are called........ if DMD, OLM et al wanna support a club with history - **** off and support TWS.
I know all of that and find some of it either deliberately or naively misleading in terms o of the point I am making. I support the CTWD campaign because they are against the name-change. To give a liar, cheat and manipulative bully the type of respect the posts infer is simply madness and feeds the monster. He has spurned that respect and it should be withdrawn until he does something to restore his integrity. What part of my opinion do you still find difficult to understand? An extreme and silly analogy, but should we respect Hitler for pulling the German people together, regardless of . . . .
"I PM'd you the link to protect you from looking like a tit, you did the damage yourself. I only ever posted in context, you know it & the threads can be produced to show as such. You PM'd me the post because you didn't want others to see the actual context of my quotes which you were trying to hide I don't get to deal with many vindictive 15 year old girls but if they debate by producing evidence to substantiate their views without trying to go around in circles. Highlighting inadequacies & weaknesses in people's opinions, behaviors, values & principles then yes I'm a menstruating teenager. You para-phrase and use quotes out of context. You also choose to ignore valid explanations in order to continue making the same accusations. All of these things are the territory of vindictive girls and I'm glad you agree that you act that way. If you truly believe I'm being vindictive then you may be feeling bullied. If this is the case then that was not my intention. As I said previously of all the hypocritical turncoats you were by far the least abusive. I've answered all of your accusations about hypocrisy and defended every one, including producing the link to the thread in question twice, because I'm not scared of people reading it in context. You however have never produced the link even though your accusations relate to it because your only aim is to slur. This is also typical of how a child would act and I'm sure you will continue to peddle your petty grudge in the future using the same out of context quotes. Now in line with my newly acknowledged status I'm going to hissy fit at every opportunity, change my jam rag & start some poll threads to get rid of you & some mods, can you lend me a dummy?" Yes, that would be in character.
You're opinion of our owner has never been misunderstood by me. You've been clear about how you feel for a while. I respect what he has done for our club, if he hadn't there'd be no club. I do not agree with his proposal to change our name that does not diminish the respect I have for him. You may not like it or agree with it but that doesn't make it wrong. You may feel that he has spurned your respect but I don't believe he has mine. If you don't like that, then tough. If abusing AA anonymously on the internet helps your anger then go for it. If I had such extreme views I'd be more inclined to write to him personally to express those views rather than sounding off on here. I'd maybe tone the insults though, if you wish to be taken seriously. How can me expressing my respect for him on a football forum feed the monster you describe? Why would you support the CTWD campaign when you don't believe in the basis of their campaign? I find it hypocritical that you do. Have you contacted them to let them know how you feel? Your AH analogy is not relevant to the situation.
