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Watmore does he need to do?

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  1. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    See you're judging his character without even knowing it. All kids don't have the same mentality just like adults don't.
     
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  2. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    No I wasn't, that's why I used words like 'if' and 'can'.

    All I've done is implied that it's a risk, that plenty of young lads have fallen victim to over the years.

    If you can guarantee he'd be a success, chucking him in at the deep end then I'll admit there's no risk.
     
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  3. nomoregeordies

    nomoregeordies Well-Known Member

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    Maybe it's something to do with not upsetting the first teamers. Lawrie mcmenemys team never ever beat the reserves and the reserves never got selected. So the answer could be the fragile egos of seasoned professionals
     
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  4. LAMackem

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    I think we all know the plus's and minus's of putting a young kid in now. To me I can only see a plus because of what options we have at the moment? Play Fletcher, Danny Graham where their past record is abysmal to say the least. These sort of players have been blocking good young talents progress. Same when Altidore was here. Our big problem as a club has not been to give young talent opportunities like 20 to 30 mins from the bench. I want a manager, head coach....whatever their title is....to look within the club and give these kids a chance. I think it was Sir Fergie over the years always had a player from the academy either on the pitch or bench. Look at Tim Sherwood...brought a 16 year old on against Sunderland...had Grealish playing in final...you have got to give these kids a chance. There was a certain 'expert' on tv who said "you never win anything playing kids"....hmmm looked what happened that season? Watmore has to play. It will signal our intent. Let's take the game to these teams over the last six. Faint hearts win fcuk all........
     
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  5. Brian Storm

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    There is an element of risk of course, but there's an element of risk in putting faith in the same players who had nothing worthwhile to give all season and nearly all of last season in some cases. Thing is with Watmore he's got a Rooney like character of self belief, add his energy, pace and skill he definitely has something to offer the first team. His energy could galvanize the others as they're well and truly rock bottom at the moment. No manger is going to heap the pressure on him you're speaking of, they're going to tell him to go out and play his game and be himself. 11 demoralized players on the pitch or 10 demoralized players with one hungry energetic confident youngster. One is waiting for a miracle to happen from nowhere and the another is actually trying to take our fate into our own hands imo.

    If we go down I want us to try actually and stop it, not remain stagnated like we've been all season and go down with a whimper. Waiting for one of the seniors to step up is just folding when we've still got a card to play.
     
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  6. Brian Storm

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    Great post that fella. Watmore isn't even 16 neither, he's 21. Villa dare to do it with such a young player and we're pussying about worrying about a 21 year old. Don't know why folk are trying to wrap him up in cotton wool. The lad is ready to step and has more than enough to his game to contribute. Like you said we've nowt to lose. The senior's haven't done enough to convince anyone they can save themselves.
     
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  7. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    I guess you know the kid better than I would, I watched him once in that game on Sky and he looked very decent. Like I say, risks often backfire but you're looking at it as a 'nothing to lose' situation, so I can see where you're coming from. I'd prefer to bed youngsters in under less pressure than 'must win' games, despite what a manager tells you, there's no way you can go out and play with freedom when your team desperately need points.

    To me as a neutral it just looks a bit fairytale, there's kids with bags of skill at U-21 level, they have a Macheda moment if they're lucky. This kid's barely played a minute of professional football, nor been capped at any level for England, I could understand if he was pulling rugs up but in my opinion, and that's all it is, I wouldn't risk him, it could ruin him.
     
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  8. Brian Storm

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    I'm not worried about Watmore. We've a few U21s who could contribute at the moment but I wouldn't go with them for the reasons you've outlined but this lad is different imo. He has a warrior mentality. Head strong enough for the challenge where the likes of Mandron and Agnew just wouldn't flourish under that sort of pressure.
     
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  9. Tel (they/them)

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    Fair comment, out of curiosity mate, will you blame Gus n Dick if you go down for not playing him, if Dick chooses to ignore him for your remaining games?

    I think if you can win your next two and get safe, then would be a good time to see what he can do.
     
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  10. Brian Storm

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    There's too much wrong at the club to blame it on something like that mate. I'll blame the club for stunting the lads development like I do with Connor. Watmore should have been out playing this season but was refused a loan as he was told he was in the first team plans but it's never materialized despite the lad doing everything right. It's a year lost for him imo but I wouldn't blame the club's relegation on not playing him. Too many other factors.
     
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    He needs to f*ck off and join a club that gives youngsters a chance. F*cking sick of him getting bigged up by managers and then he doesn't even make the bench whilst we are playing utter utter f*cking gash.

    Of course he should be given a chance. It's not the ideal time to come in whilst confidence is low but he has pace and will show no fear. At least we will get a 100% out of one player even tho it might not be enough not save us.
     
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  12. Brian Storm

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    If I was him I'd wouldn't like the way my development has been handled. Considering he's not a local lad, he has no loyalty. I'd be requesting a transfer in the summer.
     
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  13. MrRAWhite

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    Watmore scores yet again ..Spurs U21 0-1 Sunderland U21..Latest score..
     
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  14. Brian Storm

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    Wasted at that level.
     
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  15. Commachio

    Commachio Rambo 2021

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    Another Ryan Noble?
     
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  16. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Nowhere near as lightweight as him. Still a bit of filling out needed but Noble's short fall definitely isn't Watmore's.
     
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  17. monty987

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    Ask John o shea !.
     
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  18. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    WTF?! <laugh>
     
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    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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