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Diego said:
So basically you have made a choice of two total unknowns and picked the one that gives you most solace?
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Exactly <applause>

HIAG has used the absence of proof that god doesn't exist, to surmise that he does.
Like I said, you might as well believe in a six headed blue fire breathing dragon that spits out planets, because you cannot disprove that one doesn't exist.
 
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Diego said:
You do know that the Sumarians believed/indicated that man was created (produced from lesser stock) by aliens?
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Yes, I have read most of the Sitchen books.

As Graham Hancock has said, we treat the stories of the Sumarians as myths, and yet they are the first civilisation to appear on this Planet, and it appears out of nowhere, fully formed. Myths are based on those that came before; but if the Sumarians were the first, how can their tales be myths? When they say that the Gods from space (they did not refer to them as "aliens") came to Earth and created Man, and gave him the plough and fire, etc, why do we treat those stories as anything other than the truth?

Don't you think it strange that the Sumerian history is never taught in our schools?

Why don't they want our kids to learn about this stuff?

Do you think it might have something to do with the fact that our kids might start to wonder if what the Sumarians said, in very great detail, about our origins, might actually be true?


You are right though in your assertion, the Bible is pretty much a copy of Sumarian beliefs/history (?) but is 4000 years earlier so where does that leave the bible and current beliefs ?
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That is a topic for a whole other thread!
 
Diego said:
So basically you have made a choice of two total unknowns and picked the one that gives you most solace?
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That is one way of looking at it, I suppose.

But it isn't the way I look at it.

Do you believe in God or a Creator?

Which ever answer you give can be based only on faith.

That is the point I have been trying to make.
 
Hoddle Is A God said:
Yes, I have read most of the Sitchen books.

As Graham Hancock has said, we treat the stories of the Sumarians as myths, and yet they are the first civilisation to appear on this Planet, and it appears out of nowhere, fully formed. Myths are based on those that came before; but if the Sumarians were the first, how can their tales be myths? When they say that the Gods from space (they did not refer to them as "aliens") came to Earth and created Man, and gave him the plough and fire, etc, why do we treat those stories as anything other than the truth?

Don't you think it strange that the Sumerian history is never taught in our schools?

Why don't they want our kids to learn about this stuff?

Do you think it might have something to do with the fact that our kids might start to wonder if what the Sumarians said, in very great detail, about our origins, might actually be true?
It really wouldn't do to deny God and put our progress down to aliens.




That is a topic for a whole other thread!
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Hoddle Is A God said:
That is one way of looking at it, I suppose.

But it isn't the way I look at it.

Do you believe in God or a Creator?

Which ever answer you give can be based only on faith.

That is the point I have been trying to make.
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What about neither ?
 
Diego said:
HIAG is bouncing between a god that created everything and the Sumarian tales of Anunake that came to earth from space (Niberu) and mated with humans.
Very confused in his beliefs.
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He wants to believe anything that isn't the mainstream view of science as it doesn't fit his belief system.
As I've said, this leaves him open to all sorts of questionable and delusional thinking.
 
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Sweats. said:
I’d say 80% if the worlds population believe in a god of some sort, with no credible evidence. None.

Yet they decide not to eat certain things, not drink booze, pray a few times a day. Deem it acceptable to bum kids, sell / take drugs, not leave the house on sundays, light candles on a Friday, It’s all utter ****ing bollocks. People are brainwashed.

Even the pope is trying to legitimise aliens as part of God’s plan. It’s bollocks. Religion is for weak minded fools. Who make a choice or are or forced to comply with it so as not to be segregated by their peers for not conforming.

I don’t believe in anything but I think it far more likely that we are an accident of circumstance and the likelihood there are other accidents of circumstance than some twat living in the clouds sending deities turning water into water down here.
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***SHOTS FIRED***
Calling out the fakes.
 
Hoddle Is A God said:
The Big Bang Theory starts off with the premise that, in the beginning, there was nothing. Then, it exploded, and there was something.

It is absurd.

You will never get an astrophysicist argue this point with you, because they cannot.

As for the idea of expansion and contraction, there is absolutely no evidence for it, whatsoever. The "evidence" that used to be relied on has been utterly discredited.

You can argue with me all you like, but all you are doing is projecting onto me the same ignorant garbage that you were taught in school, forgetting that I have had my eyes opened.

You are comforted by the lies. It is best that you remain blind to the truth.
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Laughable at best, clearly everything in the galaxy is control by cause & effect. (Like you opening your mouth and getting rag-dolled every time). Clearly there was something there to have caused the effect. Secondly what proof do you have that there was nothing? Whose to say that there were not other galaxies before ours was born? But I’m sure we will all be thrilled by this truth that we are blinded from. Truth means an indisputable certitude so I wait for your explanation of this.
 
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Diego said:
Do you believe in God or mans written word about his supposed son?
I have no faith as such but am willing to admit that on my deathbed will probably ask for Gods forgiveness. Sudden change of heart, hedging my bets or life long indoctrination from all sides, who knows.
I have no more faith in the big bang than God but have (like most of us) been through a school system that indoctrinates you from the age of 5 to accept God (religious education and morning assembly) so it's in there somewhere in us all.
Maybe RE should be re-named cultural beliefs and ceremonies, that way kids/people would have a fairer view of the world.
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Since man evolved from the primordial soup/was created he has always questioned his existence. It is the fatal flaw in our make up. All through our history man has believed in an array of gods and graven idols in his quest for the answer. Man in the name of any given God or totem has effectively slaughtered millions of his fellow man in that quest.

Religion has no standard model unlike science which does to which parts of its understanding are fact based. The pseudo scientists just expand their own unproven thoughts to fill in the gaps which in reality is liken to putting a band-aid on a leper.
 
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Hoddle Is A God said:
That is one way of looking at it, I suppose.

But it isn't the way I look at it.

Do you believe in God or a Creator?

Which ever answer you give can be based only on faith.

That is the point I have been trying to make.
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Wrong! If you don’t believe in God (atheism) then there is no faith. <doh>
 
Diego said:
HIAG is bouncing between a god that created everything and the Sumarian tales of Anunake that came to earth from space (Niberu) and mated with humans.
Very confused in his beliefs.
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As I stated earlier Baldy is firmly in the Icke camp.
 
Hoddle Is A God said:
Great Googling, Pix.

However, you need to put in a couple of years of decent studying before you can come across with any credibility in these matters, including understanding the historical background from which the current paradigm sprang, and how Einstein's critics were silenced.

It is now recognised, even among die-hard conventionalist astronomers, that there are electrical currents in space. Not so long ago, such a notion was held as being absurd, since it was "universally" understood that space is a vacuum devoid of anything that could conduct electricity.

Events that we observe in the Universe have been replicated in the lab. Wal Thornhill and Don Scott have made predictions (considered "wild" at the time, by NASA scientists) about what would be observed when certain events were planned in space, whilst NASA scientists were left "surprised" at what was found.

It is far too detailed to list here, and a proper study is going to take you a good 6 months merely to grasp the basics.

Either you study it, or you will continue to sneer.

That is your choice.




Yes, he was.



It remains nothing more than a theory.

It explains very little, if anything, about what we actually observe in the Universe.



No one knows if it is or not.

The theory for it expanding is based on Hubble's "red shift" idea, that the greater degree of red shift in the most distant objects in the Universe is proof that they are moving away from us at a faster rate than objects closers to us. Unfortunately for this theory, there has been a lot of recent studies that have shown that red shift is a natural consequence of sequences in the birth of a proto-galaxy, and a couple of recent papers have completely undermined the whole notion. It is merely one of countless studies and papers that have been picking at the threads of Big Bang Theory over the past few decades.

The fact is, that no one knows if the Universe is expanding or not. Electric Universe theorists admit that, but the Stephen Hawkings of this World will never admit to it, even though the "proof" is lying in tatters at their feet.

Also, there have been recent papers to show that the models proposed by astrophysicists themselves simply do not work, and that there is not enough matter in the Universe to stop galaxies hurling themselves apart, based on their mathematical models.

There is so much evidence out there. Go and find it, read it, think about it, and have your eyes opened.




Not just the Moon, Pix.

Every moon and every planet in our Solar System.

The exact same scarring that we observe on planets like Mars and Venus have been created in the laboratory.

All of the studies are out there for you to go and read.

Everything you were taught in school - and I mean absolutely everything - is a lie.
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