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Was there any doubt ?

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by Christiansmith, Mar 23, 2015.

  1. Chief

    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    That's not what I'm saying at all, obviously.

    What I'm saying is we were correctly critical when the team were playing ****e. When the team were playing ****e it was neither the team nor formation that has played so well in the last couple of games, at all. I don't care a **** whether you think he listens to me, you or anyone else, the factual point is that had Shaw/Rojo not been injured he more than likely would have kept Blind at CM and had Di Maria not been suspended he would have stayed in the side.

    Therefore Mata would not have played and either Carrick or Herrera wouldn't have played and all three have been absolutely integral to the way we have played the last two games, upping the tempo massively.

    His hand was forced and there is no argument whatsoever to say otherwise. All good managers are lucky but please don't claim he planned it.
     
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    He didnt plan it and his hand was forced but the squad is trained to play a certain way.

    I think he can now play Mata, Herrera and Di Maria In the same side without fear of being overrun. Which is what happened earlier in the season and why we went turgid and dull.
     
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    "Method in the madness" - someone here said it several times :bandit:

    One thing I have to admit now: the guy is better than DM.
     
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    Chief Northern Simpleton Forum Moderator

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    However, only recently has he played 4 2 3 1 (as I have been stating correctly since the start of the season would be a winning formation with the players he has at his disposal).

    His hand has been forced by injuries to van Persie, Falcao and the players I mentioned previously. Ok, I would have suggested Mata in behind Rooney and Fellaini as sub but Di Maria getting sent off has meant Mata could fill his place with Fellaini at ten. It's worked a treat but there's been some good fortune in there which might not have occurred without those injuries.

    Now all he has to do is play Di Maria on the left and we're good to go. <ok>

    Like I said, good managers have plenty of luck also.
     
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    Looks more of a 433 with wingers. 4141 on defence. Either way there all variations of a 433 formation and its working.
     
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    if you say so.
     
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    Treble Keyser Söze

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    Nonsense. The trouble is UIR you only hear what you want to hear. Nobody said Fellaini shouldnt be used. We have been saying he shouldnt be playing instead of Mata or Herrera. Add to that, the fact Rooney has been played again as a striker thereby allowing a balanced midfield that include Mata, Herrera, Carrick and Fellain just goes to show how bloody right everyone was.

    You were the one arguing against that and all that's happened is you've been proved wrong. Just imagine where we'd be if the Dutch quiff had played this way since the Hull game which was the first time it had worked.

    The other bullshit that's being found out MASSIVELY is that Rooney had to be played in midfield bcos he was the best option there. We can all see now that was complete bollox. Truth is he was trying to shoehorn Falcao and RVP together and shafted Rooney into midfield. He got it wrong simple as.
     
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    Liverpool are ****ing gash.
     
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  9. UnitedinRed

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    Not really that simple.

    He tried various things. Some worked, some didnt. He made good and bad choices from day one but in most cases he quickly rectified this.

    And we all said Fellaini shouldnt be in the side and should be sold as early as possible. Myself included.

    We are a better side now that at any point this season. Its not by accident or luck. All the hard work is paying off now. At no point previously was this possible. We could do one or the other. Be great in attack or solid in defence.

    We are now both.
     
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    One thing that he may have done in the early matches is to identify the strengths and weaknesses of his players working with each other. When everyone bar none had given up on Fellaini and Young, he saw their strengths and actually improved them from last season.

    Hence the method in the madness that everyone was screaming about. Especially the pundits. The latter will never live this down. Just before the RS match, they compared the RS and the United teams. None of them gave United a sliver of a chance. Even after United destroyed Spurs at OT. All these ******s could see were the stats. And not recognising that the last few wins by the RS were damn lucky: Southampton and Swansea should have won their matches.

    Now the results of the RS and United are totally reversed from last season. Not only in points and wins but also in terms of matching the big teams. Last season, we dreaded these matches as we didn't have much hope that DM was going to overturn his dreadful record against the top teams. With LVG it is different. He seems to positively relish meeting the big teams even when we had uncertain formations and key players injured.

    Against arsenal, the RS defence kept passing the ball in tiki taka fashion and when the gunners pressed them hard and up the field they kept losing the ball. I was thinking that this was the time for a Gerrard (he was suspended I know) to do his long cross field passes. LVG would have had no hesitation in getting long balls to a striker to by pass the midfield. The RS was frozen in the first half like they were against us and you felt that they knew that they were going to he beaten. (Arsenal for the FA cup then <laugh> )

    If the RS had any sense they would get rid of Brenda in the summer as they've lost all hope. But then if they had that they wouldn't be widely known as the RS would they?
     
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