From what I've read it was Russian allies, Syria who have used them in the past but you can probably find accusations saying otherwise. I don't want to back Russia in all this they have crossed many lines but it'll do no good threatening them. We need someone to see sense and get to a peaceful solution.
I've read loads on here saying we should just go in hard on Putin and bomb the **** out of him, but that's all too easy to say sat behind a keyboard from the comfort of your living room. The result of that would be all out war, with a nuclear armed state. It would be a ****ing ****storm. To end this war, I think we need to choke Putin's resources. But long term, we have to work with him on some kind of agreeable security situation for the whole area. As much as folk don't like to hear it. Sucky was right when he said that Putin doesn't want NATO missiles camped on his doorstep, so ultimately we're going to have to find some kind of compromise.
Yeah and I agree with that you can't expect them to accept NATO on their doorstep. Even the sanctions could cause then to do something crazy if it really affects them. There needs to be a peaceful solution.
I watched a press conference with Putin (something we see increasingly less of) where he was saying, if Russia put nukes on the border of Canada do you think the US would have a problem with it ?
This is true but then it doesn't excuse his actions. If that was the only issue then surely a solution could have been found. I just hate thinking about it and don't come on here often because it's pointless we're all run by idiots and they don't care what we think or do, the likes of the US, China and Russia will destroy the world with the UK trotting along behind like a ******ed lapdog.
Indeed, nothing can justify dropping bombs on innocent people. And the situation is more than just NATO missiles on his doorstep. Putin is an imperialist who wants to expand the Russian empire and take back the old Soviet states. Problem is those places have been independent democratic states for the last 30 years and they don't want anything to do with Russia. And yes, we live in a world run by maniacs.
Well, and most of the people moving to Israel now have more European than "native" DNA in them now. Even using the bible to back up their claims to be returning home to the land God gave them is invalid. The Palestinians (Jews who stayed behind and converted) are more closely related to the people the bible references than the Europeans who flooded to the middle east to found Israel in a modern day colonial land grab. The creation of Israel was essentially a modern day crusade.
I think Ukraine needs to be in NATO if it survives this war, to prevent Russia invading it again in the future. However, in exchange, NATO and Ukraine need to promise never to store nuclear weapons or foreign military bases or missile batteries within Ukraine. Ukraine can come under NATOs protection but cannot be used for massing arms to start a war.
Well that was easy and makes complete sense. Now all you need to do is convince the idiots in charge.
I told everyone the Russian army was cackadoodoo dog ****. Putin is a good ally of mine and is always willing to prove me right.
Some things they never change... please log in to view this image They really have problem with one form of party or another
It's just feels like we have gone backwards decades. And feels like we are in the grips of the Paranoia around the time of the Cuban missile crisis
There has been plenty of conflict going on around the world, but none in Europe since the Balkans war. We've had 30 years of peace and cooperation, with countries becoming more entwinned with each other on diplomatic and cultural relations. I guess somebody like Putin though, who is paranoid about the West was always going to have the potential to kick off at some point.
It has long been a powderkeg throughout history . Strangely it seems to get more fractious when unions break up like we saw with Yugoslavia . Tito kept it relatively quiet but once he was no more it became atrocious . Still didn't expect we'd see these days though as most won't have .
One dangerous consequence of all this is if Russia itself becomes a client state of China and beholden to it. With all the sanctions in the west, Russia is quickly approaching defaulting on all it's loans and is being propped up by China. A capital bereft Russia is unlikely to have western, Japanese, or Korean firms go in to prop it up, and with no money at home all the industrial infrastructure is going to come from China. Russians will all work for Chinese firms, owing debt to Chinese banks, etc. Russia could practically become a Chinese colony... Which means any beef we have with China going forwards will have Russia firmly beholden to support their Chinese masters against us.
Russia has too much small dick energy to ever be a client state. Its not North Korea, a nation happy to have everyone within it under their thumb and everyone outside it keeping 2 meter distanse. Like India tbh, started acting like a billy big bollocks because they want nothing more than to be considered a serious global power.
It'll also be interesting to see the impact of that on certain alliances between each of them and countries in the asian subcontinent and middle-east. I don't know 100% whether these are all currently common alliances or whether they have different "enemies" or whether both are competing for those alliances with certain countries. It can only mean that Russia would have to step aside in certain countries.
I wonder if Russia ends up weaker because of all this if Turkey could return to the west's sphere of influence. Before Erdogan got tired of democracy, Turkey had become very westward leading, and of course they are part of NATO. Erdogan has become very close to Russia in recent years... That's one nation Putin shifted without war and took from NATO. (Even if they are still technically NATO I doubt they would come to NATO's aid anymore if it looked like a real fight). A weak Russia might see Turkey look to the West again.
