Yeah I hear you man. People are entrenched because they feel like they’ve got to fight for their position rather than listening to what the other side has to say. We have to remember that this place is a footie forum and the default is a bit like that, tribal and entrenched. Also the currency of not606 is banter and needle, folk trying to get one over on each other. I think most of it is meant harmlessly but some take it too far and get really personal at times. I think the genuine debate gets lost a bit at times on here, because somebody will jump in with dig rather than debating the issue at hand. in the wider world, I think social media has made people more entrenched. You can literally listen to views that only support your own and double down on them. Sucky is a case in mind. He’s got a valid concern about immigration, but he’s allowed himself to be consumed by extremist online content and it just comes across as a warped caricature now and kind of misses the genuine point that he and others have. I try and read a lot. Both sides of the story and views that I don’t agree with. Imo that’s the only way to understand an issue, but it takes a lot of time and energy to really get into the details. A lot of people these days just don’t have the time for it or can’t be bothered to read, so they’ll just go on a headline or 30 second Tik tok vid to tell them what’s happening in the world.
Yup this is the problem, people attaching slurs to how they think you think, how they think you vote and to whom they think you support. That's why I can't stand ****s like Peej, the guy is a ****ing maggot. I've never voted Reform, I don't donate to Reform, I don't donate to any right wing party, including the Tories and never have. I don't follow **** all what Nigel Farage does, and that Tice guy I cannot ****ing stand, and I don't watch GB News. I call the Daily Mail the Malice and I couldn't tell you if papers like the Sun are sold anymore. So it pisses me off when people attach assertions. I voted Brexit, yes, and I've always been clear about that, and clear that I never want to rejoin the EU. I can't think of any Europe country I dislike, nor political leader aside from that tosser Tusk. I'm not sure to people like the PJ's of this world how much clearer I could make it. I've made it also clear I want Starmer to make friends with our neighbours, and I support everything he has done, as long as the correct language is used, including his ministers this is important to me. In fact I know nowt about PJ politically, because he don't share to the extent that I and other people do, he just pops in and makes sly digs. But one thing does catch my attention on here, and that's how much he knows about the parties he hates. In fact I know more abour Farage and Co because he don't stop ****ing going on about it. No one else cares, he's not going to get in as PM ever! But like you, if I've got a vote to waste, because I can't chose, why not drop it on a party that pisses people off, and this is the thing they don't learn, they are their own worst enemy, they get everything they deserve, from a corrupt Tory party to Brexit. But that's the thing with me, I will call them corrupt if I think they are, and I will call out stuff that displeases me, but you rarely hear the same when tthe shoe is on the other foot, about parties they have voted for. Peej has poked one too many times now, and not come back and apologised for yesterday, so I'm going to start giving the guy **** now. I look at things like this, if people treat you a certain way, I'll make sure I don't disappoint them. It's long overdue. Have a good day Saf
Trying to think if I use any of them words, I think 'woke' in the main I use when referring to sleep. Don't ever remember using lefty loonies or snowflake, maybe I have but can't recall. I know on GC I see those words used a lot, or have done.
Yeah it gets banded about a bit on here, not by you though. I meant in the wider sphere really and in the media. There’s name calling on both sides and none of it is very productive, as it just makes people double down and like saf says, they just become entrenched
I'm pretty cool with Starmer at the moment, not so pleased with monetary policies, but I like the fact he's trying to build his profile as a world leader. About time we had our own Angela Merkel or Emmanuel Macron, respected leaders past and present within the EU. I'm not so sure about that German guy (Scholz) but I think he's on the way out anyway. As I've said a few times, it's all about language to me, and the words used. Shame Merkel aint still about, she'd slapped Trump into line.
Lol yeah Merkel was a tough old boot, she would have just told him to his face that he's being a bellend (What's the German for Bellend btw?) And yeah, I don't really get the hate for Starmer. I know people like Sucky think he's ushering in a UK califate, but in the real world I don't see him doing a lot wrong. Okay I get it that things like the Winter fuel allowance, WASPI, Farmer's Tax stuff is domestically unpopular and I think they've scored a bit of an OG in terms of PR with those things. But overall he's a good statesman and a fairly safe pair of hands in a world that seems to have more and more nutters in leadership. I think he's doing the right thing by keeping Trump onside, whilst also calling out his ridiculous Gaza resettlement plan. He's going to need him to be onside, because we're seeing Trump kick off about the EU now and Starmer needs to be the one to steady the ship in terms of the UK/US relationship.
Yeah Starmer needs to be the steady ship for sure, because he's in an advantage position of the balancing act between the US and the EU...a foot in both sides. I hope Starmer stays the full term and no one tries to kick him out...we don't need the fiasco we had the previous five years, different leader after different leader. I'm a firm believer whoever was voted in power should stay in power, and be accountable at the end of their term. I think some of Starmers barrister profession is paying dividends to how you communitcate with people and how you behave, body language - everytime I see him on the news he seems to be growing in confidence, and the more he visits these leaders the more comfortable he will be.
Yeah I agree with you on all of that. It will be interesting to see how Steve Witkoff and Marco Rubio handle the Gaza situation, because it's clear that Trump is in la la land, but the former are the men who will need to be doing the actual negotiating work with people in the region about what happens next. And they will need the Israelis, Egyptians, Jordanians, Qataris and Saudis onside to work out a road map. At the moment you've got Netanyahu grinning away like a demented mad man and the ultra nationalists like Ben Gvir and Israel Katz rubbing their cocks in glee that he's talking about booting Palestinians out of Gaza permanently whilst they wait for the US to build a ****ing tourist complex that they'll hand over to Israel. I wonder if Starmer can act as a go between in this process with the US/UK/Israel, because he's already (along with the rest of the world) told Trump that it's a non starter. And at some point you'd think (hope) that reality will kick in and he'll realise that it would just create another war in the region with 2.3m displaced Palestinians having their land turned into another one of his Golf courses for his rich buddies.
I think the reality is though, what are you going to fo with 2.3m people, they aint got no home, it's a pile of rocks. They are going to have to go somewhere, unless you are expecting them to live in tents, and what for, jus to say this land is ours, it's madness. It's destroyed, it's dust, kids can't live there. Not having a go at you but these idiots make me laugh, first a humanitarian crisis, then suddenly it;s fine for them to go back and claim their pile of stones, what sort of mad logic is this. If my own house was bombed and someone offered me an alternative in say Scotland, I'd take it, life is too short for this sentimental bolloxs.
It is madness I agree. But history has shown the Palestinians that when they are removed from their land, they aren't allowed back. And with Trump literally coming out and saying that he's going to permanently move them to **** knows where, build an complex and then hand it to Israel, whilst Netanyahu and those who have been actively seeking to remove them from their lands are gleefully hanging of his coat tails, you can see why they don't trust them at all. I think what is happening at the moment, is that aid is starting to go in. And that those people who are displaced will live in tents and refugee camps, whilst they, the Palestinians rebuild Gaza, probably with international aid. Whilst it might look like madness to us, when you hear the testimony of Palestinians themselves, they want to be there, it is their home.
I just feel sometimes it's as if we've been lied to over the humanatarian crisis. We were told they had no food, no water, no electricity, no hospitals, no medical supplies and yet suddenly out of the blue they are all able to walk miles, women and children to claim an x on the ground. That night they would have had no shelter, still no water, food would be scarce and anything they could have had would only be if supplies got through, but it would have to be co-ordinated over a wide area, tents put up, places found for tents to be put up, sanitation and everything would be a mare.....or we were lied to about how big a crisis they were in, so I'm not getting my head around it. Yet I've seen the pictures and it is blitzed, flattened.
I guess there's always propaganda in war, but I think the pictures of Jabalia, Khan Younis and parts of Northern Gaza speak for themselves. It's not just Hamas, but organisations on the ground like MAP, MSF, the UN etc who were reporting the amount of deaths and the bombed schools, hospitals, lack of sanitation, medical supplies etc. I think the Palestinians have learned to be resourceful, because they've had to be. They were relying on aid before any of this kicked off so they are a resilient group of people. I've no doubt it's been absolute hell on earth for some people there, but at the same time there have been many Palestinians who have been living with family members in their homes in the south who haven't been as badly affected.
Think I just fail to be able to comprehend the logistics of it for such a large population, I think it's asking for miracles regardless of how resilient they all are. I'm sure even Putin forced people out of areas in Ukraine because he said there was no way they could live there, it was destroyed, bodies still under the rubble. My next worry is how soon before disease spreads because of the conditions, and I'll just refer back to my question, why the **** are they there. This is what they are going home to, it's bonkers... please log in to view this image
Yeah it's mental mate I agree. The thing is, these people have been living in a war zone, where every day brought death and destruction. What they are facing now is a clear up and a rebuild, which I'd imagine they would view as vastly better than before.
As I said last week I don't see how it's going to be rebuilt for decades. Even clearing the rubble is going to take an insane amount of time and where's it all going to go?
