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WAR! What is it good for?

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  1. PISKIE

    PISKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    West Bank: Medical staff targeted and killed in brutal incursions

    Since the beginning of the Israel - Gaza war in October 2023, military incursions by Israeli forces in the West Bank have become more violent and frequent. Medical staff have been repeatedly attacked, harassed and blocked as they attempt to care for the wounded.

    "This incursion started at 8am, while children were arriving at school and people were on their way to work.

    One of the first victims was Dr Jabarin, a surgeon who was shot in the back and killed while walking to work at Khalil Suleiman Hospital. He arrived on a stretcher instead, and his colleagues had to carry the extra burden of his loss throughout the incursion. In total, Israeli forces killed twelve Palestinians during this raid.


    During another recent incursion, in Nur Shams camp in Tulkarem, a Palestinian Red Crescent Society paramedic volunteer trained by MSF was shot in the leg while he was running towards a patient. He was wearing his vest, clearly indicating his medical status. It took more than seven hours before he was allowed to reach the hospital and get the care he needed.


    Healthcare under attack
    In most MSF projects, we bridge a gap in healthcare. Here, healthcare is available down the road, but when it is needed the most, it is deliberately made inaccessible. During incursions in Jenin and Tulkarem, we have witnessed a pattern of continued and systematic attacks on healthcare workers and blockages of ambulances.

    Every single paramedic I have spoken to has explained situations where they have been personally harassed, physically assaulted and hindered while trying to provide emergency medical care. Several have been threatened, detained, physically assaulted and some even shot at.

    https://msf.org.uk/article/west-ban...d-killed-brutal-incursions?page=select_amount
     
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  2. PISKIE

    PISKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    How many more examples do you need @Citizen Kane. ?

    This isn't just about your disdain for Navi Pillay

    As you say 'there is a world of difference between medical workers dying from collateral damage and dying by being deliberately hunted down and shot in cold blood...but one is war while the other is a war crime.'

    The reporting from those on the ground delivering medical aid is that they are being deliberately targeted. War crimes are being committed.
     
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    PISKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    On the morning of 25 June, Fadi was cycling on his bicycle, posing no threat to anyone, while on his way to work, and was assassinated just outside our clinic in Gaza City. Four other people were killed in this Israeli attack, including two children. Fadi is the sixth MSF staff member who has been killed in Gaza since 7 October and one of 500 health workers killed by the Israeli forces since then, according to the United Nations. There is no justification for this; it is unacceptable. Healthcare workers must be protected and should not be targeted.

    Fadi was a medic, a physiotherapist and a father of three children. He had worked with MSF between 2018 and 2022, and had recently re-joined our teams to care for wounded patients injured by the ongoing relentless Israeli attacks in Gaza.

    https://www.msf.org/msf-response-israeli-allegations-linked-staff-killing
     
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  4. Bodinki

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    I noticed the part where you left out that the IDF claimed to have received intel that Fadi was a member of an islamic terrorist group.
    They have never revealed the source of this intel nor provided any proof as to the validity of that claim, granted. But they claim, at least, to have targetted him because he was a member of a terrorist cell.
     
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    PISKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    With precisely zero evidence that he was. Despite being pressed for it.
     
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    Dont they have a policy of not revealing their sources so as to not endanger their agents?
    Again, convenient, yes. But plausible.
     
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  7. PISKIE

    PISKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Maybe

    But zero evidence, looks a lot like zero evidence. They could have given this 'evidence' to the MSF in confidence if it was sensitive.

    But there is none, and none has been given.

    On the contrary there is a stack of evidence that healthcare workers are being deliberately targeted by the IDF
     
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  8. PISKIE

    PISKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    On this we can agree.

    There is a reason that Israel have banned journalists from Gaza

    They don't want them reporting to the world on what they are doing there.
     
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    PISKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Nearly 1,000 Palestinian health workers killed by Israeli forces in Gaza named

    Israeli forces have killed 1,151 Palestinians working in Gaza’s health sector during its onslaught on the enclave, the Palestinian health ministry said on Tuesday.

    A total of 986 were named in a new report published by the ministry, while personal data for the remaining 165 was still being verified.

    The delay in the verification process was due to Israeli authorities withholding the victims' bodies or their remains being buried under rubble.

    At least 165 of those killed were doctors, 260 nurses, 300 management and support personnel, 184 health associate professionals, 76 pharmacists and 12 other health workers.


    Record death tolls

    The Tuesday report comes a day after the health ministry published the names of 34,344 people who were killed in the Gaza Strip by Israeli forces up to 31 August.

    The Palestinian health ministry has recorded more than 41,200 Palestinian deaths in total as a result of Israeli attacks since the war began, but the process to collect data for nearly 7,000 more people has not yet been completed.

    The Monday list included the names of 11,355 children out of 16,700 estimated by officials to have been killed.

    Among them were 710 babies aged zero on the list, meaning they were under the age of one when they were killed.

    The majority of them were born and killed during the war.

    Since the early days of the war, international bodies and human rights groups repeatedly raised alarm over the high death toll among Palestinian civilians, especially children, doctors, journalists, aid workers and others.

    At least 220 UN aid workers were killed in Israeli air strikes, the highest staff death toll in UN history.

    The Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ) also said the death toll among media workers in Gaza is the highest since they began recording data in 1992, with over 170 journalists killed according to the Gaza-based government media office.

    The death toll among each of those categories is one of the highest in modern conflicts.




    But 'acceptable ratios'........ or something

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...alth-workers-killed-israeli-forces-gaza-named
     
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    ^^^ waits for the excuses to dismiss this invalid
     
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    Israeli officers tortured this doctor to death, then hid the news for months

    Palestinians have called for an international investigation into the death “under torture” of a doctor in Israeli detention after he was abducted by soldiers from the Gaza Strip last year.

    Dr Iyad Rantisi, who was the director of Kamal Adwan hospital’s maternity department, died in November, six days after he was imprisoned by invading Israeli troops. The Gaza-based government media office strongly condemned his “assassination” and called for an urgent probe by relevant international organisations.

    It said his death was part of ongoing Israeli crimes against Palestinian doctors from the Gaza Strip.

    Israel has "deliberately" destroyed Gaza’s health system through constant attacks on hospitals, ambulances, and doctors, including via air strikes, detentions, and denial of medical equipment.

    This has included being sexually abused, electrocuted, beaten, deprived of food and sleep, humiliated and kept in degrading positions, urinated on, and being handcuffed tightly for prolonged periods, causing severe injuries that led to amputation in some cases.

    Last month, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture Alice Jill Edwards said there was an “emerging pattern of violations coupled with an absence of accountability and transparency,” by Israeli authorities regarding allegations of torture and mistreatment against Palestinian detainees.


    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/...and-probe-doctor-killed-under-israeli-torture
     
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  13. Libby

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    Pinkie Saxton
     
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    Lol, It does look a bit like that tbf

    Anyway, just highlighting how ****ed up it is. As CK doesn't seem to want to acknowledge it.
     
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    Pinkie smashed it with the research

    well done brh
     
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    Where as I acknowledge it but dont give a ****.
    Its like asking me to care that a kiddy fiddler is being tortured.
    I think the torturer is ****ed up, he is not a nice person and I dont want to be his friend, but do I feel sympathy for the fiddler under his knife? Hell no.
     
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    PISKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    The difference here though, being that the bloke they tortured and murdered was a doctor at a maternity unit.
     
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  18. Bodinki

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    So was Harold Shipman.
     
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    <laugh>
     
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    I dont specifically mean this one doctor dude any how, I mean the Palestinian people as a whole.
    You opress your own people non stop, you make women dress as ninjas, you murder homosexuals, or try to correctively rape them, you mutilate genitals and dont even allow women to be educated, own property or hold office. In short they are repugnant.
    Queers for Palestine?
    Ok go take your rainbow flag over there and see how well you are received.
    Doesnt mean I am for Isreal slaughtering people, but I dont get why this particular war has peoples panties in a bunch instead of say the Yemen genocide or the African Slave trade, so much injustice in the world and Palestine is who you are going to speak up for?! Like, FFS
     
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