WAR! What is it good for?

denial

 

Where?

Oh you're posting all over the place, you're just on the wind up this evening as per

 

I gotta entertain myself dude ….dont take it personal

 

Such lovely people init Kane…….fking scum of the earth deserved what they got on oct the 7th

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67617920

 

Where have I denied the actions of Hamas? Quote me one place where I have?

Look I'm very conscious of the fact you're getting enough grief from a couple of posters so don't for a second think I'm joining in OR that my views, just because I'm questioning yours, is anything to do with anyone else.

What I questioned is your unwavering trust and support for this Israeli government or the IDF.

You come on, visibly upset and rightly so, about the murder, rape, and abduction of Israelis. I can see it and understand it.

Yet you don't have the same revulsion towards palestinian women and children being bombed to bits, those that survive hundreds of them with 1st-degree burns, hundreds of children having amputations often without anaesthetic because the hospitals have run out, kids getting shot in the head ffs playing in the street, babies in incubaters dying because they don't have electricity, every inch of blood splattered floor in Nasser Hospital being taken up by wounded with doctors running from patient to patient while their relatives wail away. I've seen the pictures, I'm sure you have too. YOU support it, you justify it, you accept it bar the occasional bit of lip service. You're no better than Fosse in that respect.

I've said this to you before, you need to take a step back and reflect on your balanced position mate. You're no friend of the innocents here.

If you want to support this Israeli government and IDF's actions at all costs including the indiscriminate murder and maiming of innocent ppl on unprecedented, obscene levels, then just say so. That's fair enough. Just don't pretend to be something else.

 

Amen

- criticise the genocide of the Israeli regime and you are labelled anti-Jewish or anti-Semitic - utter bollocks - can only speak for myself, but nothing could be further from the truth - I support the idea of an Israeli homeland - but not an expanded one that denies a Palestinian homeland ... therein lies the rub - 1,200 dead Jewish people at the hands of terrorists is totally unacceptable - ergo, 16,000 Palestinian deaths (predominantly women and kids) at the hands of state terrorism is no different ...

Not sure where you get the "... no better than Fosse" narrative from - you are being labelled as a supporter of Hamas as much as I am - on the basis of objecting to the wholesale slaughter of innocents in Gaza and the illegal occupation and actions of Israeli settlers (and regime) in the West Bank - the fact that speaking out against an Israeli regime flagrantly flouting International Law and conventions of war, can get you labelled as a 'Hamas sympathiser' speaks volumes about those making such accusations - as you say, they have very different regard to the sanctity of life - enraged when Jewish people are the victims - but ambivalent to the carnage wrought on indigenous arabs ...

 

Btw on the manner in which @Citizen Kane. wants to deride the number of Palestinians killed and injured - much like the way Aber derides the killing of Israelis on 7th October, here are some facts.

While Hamas controls Gaza and exercises tight control over information coming out of the enclave, formal responsibility for the health ministry still rests with the Palestinian Authority (PA) in the West Bank.

The PA is dominated by Fatah, the main Palestinian rival to Hamas, and is responsible for paying salaries and providing equipment to Gaza hospitals. It reports casualty totals based on numbers it receives from hospitals, ambulances and emergency services, in coordination with the Red Crescent.

Victims are initially identified by age, sex and injury type, and full identities are confirmed later. The figures are initially reported in Gaza, and updated in Ramallah after they have been checked.

There has been NO significant change in the way the injured and dead have been reported since previous conflicts which have ALL been reliable, including 2021 and 2014. This can be backed up by the following data from the Palestinian health ministry, the UN, and Israel itself.

In a report published on its website on Nov. 3, 2015, the Palestinian health ministry said the number of people killed in the July-August 2014 conflict in Gaza was 2,322.

A U.N.-mandated commission of inquiry reported that 2,251 Palestinians had been killed.

The Israeli Foreign Ministry said in a report following the conflict that 2,125 Palestinians had been killed in Gaza, according to data gathered by the Israeli military.

The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, an Israeli think tank, said more than 2,100 Palestinians were killed, while rights groups B'tselem put that figure at 2,202 Palestinians.

Early in this conflict, Biden questioned the credibility of the figures, so the Palestinian health ministry released a 212 page document with the names and identity numbers of around 7,028 Palestinians killed at that time on 26th October.

Biden then STFU and a few days later the U.S. State Department admitted the numbers are reliable and likely higher than those reported.

In a Foreign Affairs Committee hearing about skepticism over the numbers released by the Gaza Health Ministry, Barbara Leaf warned that the numbers may fall short. “We think they’re very high, frankly, and it could be that they’re even higher than are being cited,” said the Assistant Secretary of State for Near Eastern Affairs.

Leaf acknowledged that Hamas is particularly skilled at spreading propaganda and disinformation via social media, but said that based on the feedback they are receiving from a variety of individuals and partners on the ground, “it’s very possible that they’re even higher than is being reported.”

Oona Campbell, professor at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said Palestinian health authorities have longstanding credibility with their methods of maintaining baseline statistics and tracking deaths in general, not just during times of war. U.N. agencies rely on them.

"Palestinian data collection capabilities are professional and many ministry staff have been trained in the United States. They work hard to ensure statistical fidelity," said Yale University's Raymond.

Campbell and two other academics analysed the data from 26th October for a Lancet medical journal report on Nov. 26 and concluded there was no obvious reason to doubt their validity. "We consider it implausible that these patterns (of mortality rates) would arise from data fabrication,"

Here's just one set of data from there - the Lancet article said the ministry report's data showed that 11.5% of the deaths recorded between Oct. 7-26 were children between ages 0 and 4, 11.5% between ages 5 and 9, 10.7% between 10-14 and 9.1% between 15 and 19. Total approximately 43% of the dead.

Today, 6th December three separate bodies have said the numbers being reported may be under-reported.

"Our monitoring suggests that the numbers provided by the Ministry of Health may be under-reporting as they do not include fatalities who did not reach hospitals or may be lost under the rubble," the U.N. human rights office spokesperson said.

"It is a logical assumption that the numbers being reported are underestimated, are low," said Nathaniel Raymond, Executive Director of the Humanitarian Research Lab at the Yale School of Public Health, who has worked on death counts in armed conflict and natural disasters for more than 20 years.

The PA's Oct. 26 report said at least 1,000 bodies could not be recovered or brought to morgues, citing families interviewed by its Gaza staff - a clear and plausible example of the impact of war "on data capture and reporting"

The number of bodies feared buried under the rubble now reaches into the thousands and much of the Gaza civil defence force's digging equipment has been destroyed in air strikes.


So when someone says, oh lets wait until tens of thousands of more men, women, and children have been murdered and we'll count the bodies after the war to make ourselves feel better by saying, "oh what a travesty" then honestly, they can go fck themselves for being warmongering ****s and trying to condone it

https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...za-war-how-will-counting-continue-2023-12-06/

 

he supports the evil of Israel yet thinks he got the moral high ground for some fking reason

the guys Nazi nuts

 

I made the point rather more succinctly at post #8189

 

Didn’t read

 

We should just nuke the place and be done with it give Brits more time to watch Netflix init

 

US Secretary of State has given the strongest criticism of Israel's collateral civilian casualty numbers yet - he's obviously a closet Hamas sympathiser...

 

better late than never I suppose

 

what your take Kane…..silence is deafening

 

It's nowhere near enough.

It does highlight though the fact that whilst the IDF and Hamas are clearly involved in ground combat, those calling for a ceasefire because Israel is indiscriminately killing, maiming and dehumanising civilians on unprecedented levels to any recent conflict, aren't just making it up.

Add to that the forced displacement of people continuously around areas which are then bombed or to barren wastelands with no sanitation, food, or water where they're just supposed to rummage through waste to make adhoc shelter.

67 journalists killed. That's twice the number of journalists killed in ALL conflicts worldwide in 4 out of the past 5 years.



And 130 UN Relief workers killed in 2 months.

It's obscene at every level, and level headed governments are appeasing this. The world's gone mad.

 

US have blocked a UN resolution for an immediate ceasefire - UK abstained.

US delegate miffed about the 'language' of the resolution put forward by the UAE - obviously the 'language' is way more important than more dead children.

The delegate also stated that it would be an 'unsustainable ceasefire' and that it would only 'plant the seeds for the next war' - LMFAO - as if those seeds are not already planted with every new civilian casualty

 

Oxfam labels veto as a 'nail in the coffin for US human rights credibility'... Oxfam now added to the list of 'Hamas sympathisers' ....

 

Palestinian death toll now passed 17,000 - majority women and kids ... but a ceasefire would be 'playing into the hands of Hamas' ... how these people sleep at nights is a mystery to me ...

 

They sleep knowing they are gods chosen children fighting evil

Hitler youth were the same