To flip it around though. What consequences did Israel think would occur after they bombed children’s hospitals and schools ? What happened on Saturday was horrific, but this deliberate targeting of civilians has been dished out by Israel for years. it just doesn’t get the 24/7 wall to wall media coverage that this incident does, because it’s always happening and it’s been ‘normalised’ Genuine question. What is Palestine supposed to do ? When they try and take the democratic route to settle the problem, they are ignored. When they demonstrate, Israeli troops shoot and kill them, when they try and resist the occupiers and fight back, they are labelled as terrorists. So what should they do ?
It's not crazy, these questions need to be asked. Like why the security forces knew nothing of this meticulous planned attack.
You like others keep saying what are Palestinians supposed to do, Hamas the terrorist organisation did this, not the civilians. You seem to fail to recognise that Hamas is a terror organisation, you can accuse any other parties of what you want, I personally don't care. I'm just pointing out as a terror organisation what did they really care about, certainly not the people dying today. Sorry mate but your anti Israel trope don't over shadow the fact, that Hamas started this slaughter, not the Palestinians not Israelis, although I would argue somone must have known this was going to happen, I just can't believe otherwise with todays intelligence services..
Their leader has become a multimillionaire and some of his kids live far from the trouble in southern Israel, make of that what you will.....
Hamas is labelled as a terrorist organisation by the west. And without wanting to go round in circles again, as we’ve discussed, if you live in Gaza, the IDF are a terrorist organisation. The terror dished out by both sides is abhorrent. But without trying to attach labels and accusations about ‘sides’ or non existent ‘tropes’ just consider my question without any prejudice. What are Palestine as a state, supposed to do about the illegal occupation of their country, given that the democratic approach is ignored and Peaceful protest is met with a hail of bullets ?
I don't know what they are supposed to do, I'm not here to give you answers to something that I don't have the answer to, it's just a vicious circle. As I said to Trebs before, I'm not in that situation, so who knows how I may react, people don't know themselves until faced with adversity, but if I was going to go into an area to slaughter people, I would know my family would be slaughtered as a consequence. Hamas didn't care about civilians from either side, it wasn't Israel that walked into a festival of unarmed people and butchered them - you can add as many anti israel tropes to that, that you like, and I will stand by my stance of the butchery that happened on Saturday by a terror organisation. Trying to constantly justify Saturdays actions as I feel you are doing, well we have to leave that there and agree to disagree.
There’s no anti Israeli tropes mate. And there’s no attempt to justify any of the killing. That’s your own conclusions, but it’s not where I’m coming from. I just think it’s almost inevitable that a group like Hamas will exist and lash out when you have a situation where Palestinian people have been subjected to decades of killings, kidnappings, extra judiciary executions, subjugation, bombings of schools and hospitals, etc. None of the killing can ever be justified and the barbaric slaughter on Saturday was about as bad as it gets. But the killing won’t stop there and for all of those innocent Israelis that were killed on Saturday, you can bet that those numbers will be dwarfed by the amount of Palestinians who are about to be killed when Israel flattens Gaza.
I'm trying to think of a way to project my feelings on it from other events in history... It's like when the IRA use to bomb civilians, but then they changed their targets to buildings in the finacial sector, because killing civilians didn't help the cause. It's like us being British and our Government authorising an invasion of Iraq, we never authorised that, we never agreed with it, but people might say the British attacked the Middle East, no we never, Blair and Bush did, but it wasn't on the approval of British citizens. Hamas' butchery wasn't on the approval of Palestinian civilians, they just did what they did for whatever cause anyone wants to invent, which generally will be far and extreme from the actual wish of the citizens.
You can argue that they should have more regular elections, but you can’t get away from the fact that they were elected.
i didn't and i can do more than argue that they need more regular elections to be considered democratic as it is just a simple fact .
