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WAR! What is it good for?

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  1. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    Teacher has been stabbed in Gloucester. Probs because the student was pissed off falling behind with all of the strikes.
     
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  2. Welshie

    Welshie Chavcunt fanboy dickhead

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    Student was falling behind in Maths, whilst teacher sits on Not606 bickering about Israel
     
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  3. brb

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    Can we have an official response please...

    @Treble

    <whistle>
     
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  4. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    News of my demise have been greatly exaggerated :)
     
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    <laugh>
     
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  6. brb

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    Out of genuine interest, are any kids on summer hols yet?....my grandson still has a couple of weeks before he finishes school for the summer.
     
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  7. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    GCSE and A Level students are the only ones I can think of.

    We've still got a couple of weeks to go. Year 6's have been on party mode for the best part of 2 months since they finished the SATs but still attending school. Mostly looking forward to trips to theme parks, end of year stage performance, and the leavers do.
     
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    Erdogan wants Turkey to be part of EU before Sweden becomes part of NATO.

    Um, I can't see that happening any time soon. I think Erdogan would need to restore Turkey to full democracy before EU would even consider it. Last thing EU needs is another Viktor Orban in it's midst.

    Don't think it's vital for Sweden to be part of NATO anyway.. can't see Russia ever having motivation to attack Sweden. Finland probably had slightly more reason to worry, sharing a border.
     
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  9. Saf

    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    No he doesn't.

    He's agreed to Sweden joining NATO and I'll be happening very soon.
     
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    Well now he has. <laugh>. 24 hours earlier he was saying he wanted to be in EU first. I guess he realised how unlikely that is and was just tugging at strings hoping the sweater unravelled.
     
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    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Russia has arrested Girkin for extremism, he's the guy the FSU sent over to start the conflict when Yanukovych got the boot back in 2014.
    Putin looking for an out and scapegoats to blame it all on?
     
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    If Putin needs scapregoats and ends the war as a result, I'd be happy with that. Every dead arrested Russian extremist is less dead Ukranians hopefully.
     
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    What's this new law Israel has brought in, and what does it mean to Israelis and Palestinians?
     
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    i I posted an article on the crime section……basically the government wanna be separated from the laws and are trying to take the powers away from the courts

    Nazis do what Nazis do…….these sabbatean frankists and zionists puppets are no friends of jews let me tell you….evil flaking scum they are
     
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    by the way it’s the same group behind Epstein(blackmailing ring) and behind the project for the new American century that brought the 9/11 attacks 7/7 attacks and the destabilising of the Middle East along with its sabbatean arm of the Saudi royal family
     
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    Busy rn will reply later on after I get home from the National Sabbatean Rothschild Space Laser conference.
     
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    Ok will try to keep this brb length but it is a bloody complicated topic, so here are the essentials:

    1) Israel's Supreme Court is one of the most powerful judiciaries in the world. Until today it basically had carte blanche to overturn any rule made by the elected officials in the Kenesset.

    2) However, Israel's parliamentary system has no other checks on legislative power. At one time the Party List electoral system did the job (partly), but as the natural support bases of the major parties shrank, the once helpful role of coalition partners actually started to have the opposite effect, with relatively fringe parties now welding totally disproportionate influence on larger parties as majority kingmakers. Happy to elaborate a bit on this but in a nutshell: historically coalition parties would serve as de facto buffers against more extreme policy. Now they are often the source of it.

    3) The current appointment process for a Supreme Court judge is again, one of the least democratic in the world. A committee of 9 members votes in new incumbents with a minimum 7 vote majority. This seems strongly democratic on the surface, but the composition of the committee is under scrutiny with the new Bill: Only 4 members are democratically elected (2 govt ministers + 2 MKs). The remaining 5 are made up of 2 unelected representatives of the Israeli legal industry and 3 current members of the Supreme Court. As the latter group tend to share similar backgrounds and remain in power irrespective of the govt, they tend to vote together and thereby often veto candidates put forward by the 'elected four'. And even if the Bar Association sides with the govt, the need for a majority of 7 means the judicial wing still has power of veto which it can and does use in order to preserve its own internal political balance.

    In a nutshell, the new Policy this govt has been fighting so hard for addresses both of these points: It seeks to overturn Supreme Court interference with legislation via a simple parliamentary majority (61 v 59).

    Current amendments propose that any Supreme Court ruling that is overturned by a simply parliamentary majority will be automatically reviewed and returned to the house for debate and a vote every four years i.e. every general election cycle.


    It seeks to increase the Selection Committee to 11 members, the additional 2 chosen by the government while keeping the law of 7, which means that elected committee members would only need one additional vote in order to achieve this majority and confirm a new Judge.

    4) Almost all Israelis believe that the Supreme Court currently wields too much power (it is almost unparalleled in the democratic world as mentioned) and that reforms are urgently needed.

    5) Much of the debate about the current reform is pretty technical and in the details: many feel that a Court ruling should only be overturned by a 2/3 or 3/4 parliamentary majority, rather than a simple one. Others feel that increasing the Selection Committee to 11 members is too much, too soon, and that 10 is a good midway point for now. However...

    6) The cause for alarm is the fact that a right wing govt is the one pushing for these reforms. For decades, the Supreme Court was the de facto voice of the left wing, blocking, overturning or at least adjusting policies whenever it could. In fact, it is the only political or legislative body in Israel that enjoys the support of the majority of Palestinians.

    If anything, there is an argument that the Court did its job too well. One of the theories behind the utter demise of the centre-left in Israel over the past 15-20 years which has allowed right wing parties to rise to power, is the idea that voters weren't as galvanised to vote, nor leaders to innovate new ideas and policies, due to the 'safety net' of the Supreme Court which was 'always there' to represent and speak with the voice of the centre-left, even if (technically) it is meant to be politically impartial.


    If the current reforms go ahead, the centre-left will have to seriously up it's game. Not because the reforms are inherently undemocratic. They are meant to address the balance of power and make things more democratic. But because of what those reforms could look like if wielded by the right wing parties who are currently pushing for them. It is especially scary if placed in the hands of a man who just does not know how to relinquish power i.e. Netanyahu.


    Hope that helps a bit. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to play polo with the Space Lizards.
     
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    ffs. <laugh><applause>
     
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    I did warn you.
     
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    You know I don't say this lightly but those last 3 paragraphs are a wonderful bit of spin tbh.

    It's the supreme court and centre left's fault for having right wing and religious extremists continuously being returned to power ffs. Typical of the way black is turned into white by Israeli's.
     
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