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WAR! What is it good for?

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  1. Sucky

    Sucky peoples champ & forum saviour

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    Footballers should stay out of politics tho<whistle>
     
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  2. Sucky

    Sucky peoples champ & forum saviour

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    The CL final will be moved. No way that's going ahead in Russia.
     
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    Saf Not606 Godfather+NOT606 Poster of the year 2023

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    They've made London a nice place (apparently) with all their investment. You should be grateful to the Russians.
     
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  5. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    Oh please allow us to spew our propaganda but don't let the big bad man spew his <wah>

    Said it a while ago #infowars
     
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    A.L.D.O 4.1 1 of the top defendants in Europe

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    Putin be schooling the western world again.

    Up the Ruskos!
     
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  7. A.L.D.O 4.1

    A.L.D.O 4.1 1 of the top defendants in Europe

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    Be smart like me and don't watch the news.

    If we die, we die!
     
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  8. brb

    brb CR250

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    I quite like watching what's going on, none of it bothers me, if it kicks off it kicks off, going to be fook all I can do about it. I do like mocking all the Western bolloxs though mate.

    Anyway got the emergency rucksack prepared with passport, bottle of water and not forgetting the ever essential Jaffa cakes.
     
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    A.L.D.O 4.1 1 of the top defendants in Europe

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    Al Jalzeeria is the way to go then pal. All British news is total BS.
     
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    Funnily enough I do watch it sometimes. I'd extend the BS even further to include the Americans and parts of Europe. Everyone else is the bad boys apart from us, yeah right, too old, heard it too many times.
     
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  11. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    Can't say I've checked the veracity of this but apparently ...

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    Ukraine ranks:
    1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
    2nd in Europe and 10th in the world in titanium ore reserves;
    2nd in the world in explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world’s reserves);
    2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
    2nd in Europe in mercury ore reserves;
    3rd in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
    4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
    7th in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
    Ukraine is an agricultural country:
    1st in Europe in arable land area;
    3rd in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world’s volume);
    1st in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
    2nd in the world in barley production and 4th in barley exports;
    3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
    4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
    5th largest rye producer in the world;
    5th in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
    8th in the world in wheat exports;
    9th in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
    16th in the world in cheese exports.
    Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
    Ukraine is an industrialized country:
    1st in Europe in ammonia production;
    2nd in Europe’s and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
    3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
    3rd in Europe and 11th in the world in rail network length (21,700 km);
    3rd in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
    3rd largest iron exporter in the world
    4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
    4th world’s largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
    4th in the world in clay exports
    4th in the world in titanium exports
    8th in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
    9th in the world in exports of defence industry products;
    10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
    (Source: Andriy Futey)
     
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    I'll say one thing for the Ukranian people, despite all my banter about Putin, it was quite reassuring in a sense that young men were going to the recruitment office to sign up for fighting, as they put it, fight for our homeland, respect for that - which is a great contrast to what we saw in Afghanistan and men running for planes. I may not approve of interfering in other people's wars, but I always believe in standing and fighting to protect your own homeland and families. Young men signing up to take on the might of the Russian army, prepared to die for their country. I'm not so confident these days our own young men would do the same.
     
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    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    Facebook mate
     
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    Thing with Afghanistan though is that it was a broken country. The puppet that the Americans put in place to Govern the country after they disposed of the Taliban the first time wasn't really respected by ordinary Afghans. And there was precious little to 'fight for' in terms of the system of governance.

    Ukraine is a completely different place altogether. Since the end of the USSR, it's become a fully functioning independent democracy, with huge productivity and output, a strong sense of national identity and pride in being Ukrainian. The people there definitely have something to fight for, whereas in Afghanistan, I think most people just wanted to get the **** out.
     
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    Not sure I agree with that mate, Afghanistan had seen a complete new generation of people born under American rule, what, some of them must have been in their 20's, it was the only life they had ever known and the important bit that I gave on reflection, it was their homeland. Unless we are suggesting Western style democracy has turned the young into, what I alluded to about young brits...in short, cowards, cowards that mostly carry knives these days.
     
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    Even during that time though, the country was under occupation. And that's on top of what is now 4 decades of conflict, going back to the USSR and ethnic tensions and civil war that go back even further. I'm not sure there's anybody alive in Afghanistan today that hasn't known a history of conflict.

    The Americans tried to instil a democracy in Afghanistan, and yes for some younger people it meant more western style freedoms, but the Afghan state was weak. The area is such a disparate region with different ethnic factions and different ideas about what Afghanistan should be, that it's difficult to bring it all under one umbrella.
     
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    Fair points.

    Suppose I just can't forget that image of men running, I'd rather die with a gun in my hands but if they were American trained, the US has never had to fight for its homeland, it's always poking its noses into other people's business. Their citizens couldn't even do a proper job of over throwing the Capitol, bunch of pussies mate.
     
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    Treble Keyser Söze

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    They've got that in Afghanistan too tbf mate. They're called the Taliban.

    And the Mujahadeen didn't do too bad against the Ruskies.
     
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    The afghan state, the police and the army let them down though. They just folded when the US troops left and left their citizens to fend for themselves. You have to remember that these are people that basically have **** all and have lived under foreign military rule and ethnic civil war for decades.

    I don't think there was any cohesive resistance other than the Pashtuns fighting the Taliban, and they've always resisted state control in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.
     
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    Pussies mate. Basic survival instinct should have kicked, protect your women and children, not oh can I get on the plane first.
     
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