Wales Eligibility

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trundles left foot

trundles left foot

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A while back it was muted that maybe Rangel would be able to qualify for Wales due to residential rules. This might sound a bit thick or it may have been answered before, but why aren't the likes of Dyer and Britton eligible due to the same rule. They have been overlooked by the super power that is England for years so why can't tey defect. They both have lived in wales for aan awful long time.

Is it that they have represented England at a certain level so that bars them. Just wondering if anyone had the answer. I know someone on here will have the brain cells to give a definitive answer on this.
 
I heard mention that there was a gentleman's agreement between the home nations that we would not use the rule to poach players off each-other. If you think about it, the team that misses out is England as they would have had Bale under that rule. Any Welsh players brought up in an English team would be fair game. We'd be best not to push that one.
 
The difference with bale he was fully capped at a very young age, I am talking about players like Britton and Dyer who have been overlooked constantly.
 
Eligability rules are a joke in general .A guy like Owen Hargraves , born Canadian , with a mother from Wales ,who played club football in England and Germany long enough that he had 4 countries to choose from....ridiculous really .Great guestion though lefty , maybe guys like Dyer and Rangel can play although I think Goodland is right about the home nation theory
 
I dont agree with this residency rule for foreign nationalities myself and never have. It feels like cheating and should never be used. British armed forced are the only exception to the rule and british people who are working abroad on an official capacity. players with no affinity to wales but play their football in wales should never be considered full stop...
 
Home nations can only use players from other home nations if there is a family link, additionally the home nations are barred from using the citizenship rule for players with no family links to the home nation in question. That means Rangel can never play for Wales, even if he came here as a kid and lived here ever since.

This is written in IFAB rules and is a concession to allow the home nations a vote on global rule changes. FIFA gets four votes, England one, Wales one, Scotland one and Northern Ireland one. A majority is needed for any global rule to be introduced and FIFA hates us so the situation will never change.... unless the FBI works it's muscle ;)
 
An FAW spokesman told S4C:
'The eligibility agreement the four British Associations have lodged with Fifa has no clause about residency.
'The "British Passport" rule which previously saw players such as John Robinson, Eric Young and Pat van den Hauwe win caps for Wales despite not having any connection to Wales beyond holding a British passport has been amended.
'There are now only four ways a player can be eligible for one of the four home countries: the player's place of birth, the player's parents' place of birth, the player's grandparents' place of birth or the newly-amended "five-year education" rule.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...l-Rangel-blocked-FIFA-rule.html#ixzz3J8miAMpV

Quite simply, unless a player was schooled in Wales for at least 5 years, he can't play for us. Leon Britton hadn't even heard of Swansea and only knew Wales was 'over there' when he first joined us. Likewise, Nathan Dyer was not schooled in Wales either. Additionally, neither of them have any Welsh-born relatives at parental or grand-parental level. Hence, neither can play for Wales.
 
even the grandparents birth is a farce imo..I can understand british born parents to a degree and that is as far as i would go. British born kids who have foreign parents is fine but not if their kids are born in foreign land but live here now is a no no..
 
Q: Who can a player play for when he has never played international football?
A: A player can play for any country for whom they hold a permanent nationality.


Q: What if that player wants to change nationality but has already played for a country?
A: A player who has more than one nationality, acquires a new one or is able to play for several sides can, on one occasion up to their 21st birthday, request to change countries, provided that:
a) The player has not played in a competitive match for his current association.
b) At the time of that appearance they already had the nationality of the country they now wished to play for.


Q: What if a player wants to acquire a new nationality?
A: If a player wants to get a completely new nationality, then one of the following must be met:
a) Be born on the territory of the association.
b) Have a biological mother, biological father or grandparent born on that territory.
c) Have lived continuously on that territory for at least five years after reaching the age of 18.


Q: What happens to a player who is eligible to represent more than one association an account of his nationality?
A: The player can play in an international match for one of these associations only if, in addition to having the relevant nationality, he fulfils at least one of the following conditions:
a) Be born on the territory of the association.
b) Have a biological mother, biological father or grandparent born on that territory.
c) Have lived continuously on that territory for at least two years.
 
You look at me ...i have supported the swans for 57 years but im not a jack and never would i be a jack. Im a donk and have more affinity with the turks than i ever will with the jacks. There is nothing wrong with that of course as there are many on here who support the jacks but are not jacks in their own right. The swans who we as a glamorgan borough have as much right to support the swans as any jack and im proud of being a donk and im proud of the swans and always have been...they are my team also.....<ok>
 
The national teams of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland are, however, a special case because these four &#8220;home countries&#8221; are part of one national state, the United Kingdom. There is no such thing as English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish citizenship.

The associations of these four countries entered an agreement regarding international eligibility in 1993 which provides that a player holding a British passport is eligible to play for the country of his birth, the country of the birth of either of his natural parents or the country of birth of any of his natural grandparents. If the player, his natural parents and his natural grandparents were born outside the U.K., he may play for the home country of his choice. Our understanding is that once a player has played for one of the home countries, even if it is only a friendly match, the 1993 agreement precludes him playing for another home country. The FIFA rule change for players under 21 must be followed in the U.K., however. Under U.K. law, a player (or anyone, for that matter) who was born abroad becomes eligible for a British passport after five years of lawful residence in the country, and he thus becomes eligible to play for one of the home countries provided he has not played for another national side in official competition.

Hence Rangel should be allowed to play for Wales. oops another article (wiki so who knows what to believe) states Rangel was believed to qualify to represent Wales on residency grounds,but was ruled ineligible in July 2012 as he had not had five years of continuous education in the country.
 
another twist - Manchester United's Adnan Januzaj could play for England from 2018 under Fifa's five-year residency requirement, as he has yet to commit to another country.

Midfielder Januzaj, 18, is eligible for Belgium, Serbia, Albania and Turkey.

But, asked about the issue, Arsenal and England midfielder Wilshere said: "If you live in England for five years it doesn't make you English."
 
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