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we’ve still got 4th best home record this season despite the 6 defeats in a row guys... silver lining 
2 more points then united, 6 more than Everton
2 more points then united, 6 more than Everton
Match Day Thread Vs Fulham (H)
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Totally agree but being able to run a lot and work hard isn't everything (it is there bare minimum imo though), they need to be able to read the game and know when to/not to do it. If players just run endlessly trying to get the ball we become eleven individuals. Ironically, that's what we are atm anyway
I've said for ages that we had a strong first XI but ****all beyond it.
It's been a common theme for the last few years, but our midfield is bang average.
We relied on our fullbacks to create, teams know how to negate this now.
Thiago was brought in to bolster the midfield, give it some creative ability, but its not occurred.
A team that Is looking to challenge, needs to refresh and reform every year. Yes we've had a horrible season, but enough to justify 1st to 10th, no not really.
We missed the opportunity in the summer, January passed us by. I'm pissed off with the players but I'm more angry with klopp and the owners.
We relied on our fullbacks to create, teams know how to negate this now.
Thiago was brought in to bolster the midfield, give it some creative ability, but its not occurred.
A team that Is looking to challenge, needs to refresh and reform every year. Yes we've had a horrible season, but enough to justify 1st to 10th, no not really.
We missed the opportunity in the summer, January passed us by. I'm pissed off with the players but I'm more angry with klopp and the owners.
The damage being done at the moment will not be fixed by a few tweaks and a rest over the Summer. We need quite an overhaul with five or six moving on and better hungrier players coming in. No midgets please
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tbf we did buy Jota , Thiago and Tsimikas and i think most were happy about the signings if a bit bemused by not the decision not to replace Lovren .
Too many changes. Needed because the Chelsea match wasn’t good enough and Leipzig is coming up too. But 7? A group of strangers thrown in together. Although improved in the 2nd half, we hardly created any chances.
Klopp has a massive task to rebuild confidence and morale.
Klopp has a massive task to rebuild confidence and morale.
Could it be the reason we have no confidence and morale is because of Klopp? At the end of the day, he’s the boss, the leader, the Inspiration.
Could be a knee jerk reaction, or an over-reaction, and probably is so I reserve the right to go back on it but I think a fair few of these need shipping out in the summer, even players who have previously been considered undroppable. It's almost like the project is over for them, CL won, PL won, that's it, they can slip it into neutral and maybe start to think about opportunities elsewhere when the time is right. Just pre-empt it, get new recruits in with the will, desire and drive and those in neutral can either decide to get it in gear again or take the next exit
but I think a fair few of these need shipping out in the summer, even players who have previously been considered undroppable. It's almost like the project is over for them, CL won, PL won, that's it, they can slip it into neutral and maybe start to think about opportunities elsewhere when the time is right. Just pre-empt it, get new recruits in with the will, desire and drive and those in neutral can either decide to get it in gear again or take the next exit
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Yeah I think we have made mistakes
This season always had to happen
It was always a when
We have been really unlucky and pretty pants at the same time
My mate keeps sending clips of the game to me
He is well angry but he has just sent one of fab getting cleaned out by two players followed by Keita doing the same and getting carded
Not blaming the refs just saying everything culminating atm.
However - that said- if the club have the desire I trust them to put it right
It won’t take much to straighten the ship just a couple of things
We need confidence more than anything
Imho atm
Onto Tuesday
Different comp might help
It does have a feel of that.Could be a knee jerk reaction, or an over-reaction, and probably is so I reserve the right to go back on it
Almost like Klopp has driven them to achieve the title and a CL and now can not find a way to motivate them to do it again.
It seems a similar situation to Dortmund. Klopp drove them to win the title and unsettle Bayern, after they achieved that there was huge drop in form combined with lots of injuries.
It is starting to look like a pattern, the next step is to see if Klopp has learnt from Dortmund and can turn things around.
Saying that if we lose to RB (get knocked out) there will probably be questions over Klopp. The Owners maybe patient with him but in the end European football is massive to the club and to them due to the revenue streams.
I was happy we got cover form LB, although that now seems abit redundant as we never rest Roberston.
I was happy with Jota
I was not happy with Thiago. An area I felt we didn't need incoming, also his age didn't fit how we've gone about transfers.
I thought we needed another CB and a proper Striker, which are the two things which are now coming back to bite us in the arse.
the Thiago one confused me also but that felt like one JK really wanted and Jota was the forward cover .
wasn't too bad actually.
like, ok we are complete otssers and all that but is could have been worse. Fulham didn't really come to engage first half. not really. they had a tactic to hit on the break and they got a bit of luck off a corner. Otherside they had their balls likced by carragher etc but really it wasn't too impressive.
THe reality is neco williams could be there 2 weeks from now and not find anyone. He has never looked like making an assist for me and plays with his head down.
The tactic of pushing robertson on is gone again. game plan? who knows but what i can say is that theres zero team work.
At one point about 20mins in salah tried to press but jota never went, shaqiri was nowhere. the result is salah charging about from one side of the park th the owrth while their keeper just knowcks it to the lad jota could have gone at.
theres about 1 man imo trying and thats salah. he's still chasing. the rest are content to let it come or not come.
like, ok we are complete otssers and all that but is could have been worse. Fulham didn't really come to engage first half. not really. they had a tactic to hit on the break and they got a bit of luck off a corner. Otherside they had their balls likced by carragher etc but really it wasn't too impressive.
THe reality is neco williams could be there 2 weeks from now and not find anyone. He has never looked like making an assist for me and plays with his head down.
The tactic of pushing robertson on is gone again. game plan? who knows but what i can say is that theres zero team work.
At one point about 20mins in salah tried to press but jota never went, shaqiri was nowhere. the result is salah charging about from one side of the park th the owrth while their keeper just knowcks it to the lad jota could have gone at.
theres about 1 man imo trying and thats salah. he's still chasing. the rest are content to let it come or not come.
thats an extremely superficial view.
It is, sorry.
Klopp has a different tactical team with linders and his fitness lad and his nutrition woman etc. If you really look you'll see a side severely depleted by a catasrophic preseason decision to travel out of the UK. Trent got covid, a couple others as well. The transfers arrived after it and then you've serious impact injuries to 4 players. (thiago, vvd, gomez, matip)
If you have a less than effective preseason then try cope with losing all 3 cbs then you've seen inury after injury. Look at henderson pplaying after only coming back form injury charging about desperately trying to make an impact from LCB and sprinting in midfield and ripping his groin lol.
What I see on the other hand is a geniune lack of hunger. Mane couldn't gve a damn. Firmino looks like he has lost all drive. Wijnaldum is floating about, releibaly doing nothnig but is there. Kieta didn't try much today to really do much.
Milner ffs should hve driving this lot but didnt.
We have see sides decide to jsut sit off co we are so poor at the back we will cough something up on the break and they are all having success. We can't get bodies in the box unless they just stand static and have no idea what to do so start tossing aimless stuff in to show we are trying.
no interplay, no over lapping really. nobody trying to get to real danger zones. mane got on today and stood himself in a quasi left midfield/ forward type zone and did nothign.
For get about it being related to dortmund. It just isn't. Two years ago we had a CL trophy and bought nobody. We gave everyone fat contracts and they are all too comfortable. they have also aged slighty as well.
For me its about hunger and fitness. YOu can beat one into them. you cannot put the other back in IMO.
If I were klopp I'd be beating on Mike gordan's door and be saying 100mil min plus i want to sell whoever i please. He won't. He is going to make the mistake many mangaers do. Shankly did. He will be too loyal to this lot. Forget about big signings imo.