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Vote: B Teams - Yes or No?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Flappy Flanagan (JK), Oct 2, 2013.

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Should we have B teams?

Poll closed Oct 5, 2013.
  1. Yes to B Teams.

    42.9%
  2. Yes to feeder clubs.

    21.4%
  3. Nothing. Keep it how it is.

    35.7%
  4. Yes. Explain in comments.

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  1. Still lets the bigger clubs hog players. Also, within 50 miles (in all directions?) is a big area here but not quite as big for somewhere like Spain.
     
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  2. Milk

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    Well... OK... allow each team the option to partner with a lower league club to provide up to 7 loaners.

    But...

    They are only allowed to loan them players that are U21, have been at their academy for 2 years and agree that they are loaned to feeder club for minimum of 18 months.

    Furthermore feeder club is not allowed to be promoted at any time whilst a feeder club.


    This will encourage home grown talent to get more play-time... but prevents the feeder club just being a readily available pool of talent that the parent club can swap and choose from.

    It would also encourage competitiveness because only clubs who had no chance of promotion would want to be a feeder club so would even-out the championship.

    Furthermore as the feeder clubs ambitions grow it would encourage them to sever ties with parent club so they can earn promotion... thus encouraging any club not to being stuck permeantly as feeder club.

    18 months is important because means parent club can't just snatch them back quickly and covers 2 seasons... meaning parent has to be prepared to lose player for significant time... its not just a pool of ready talent.





    ... that's the only way I'd go for official feeder clubs... and even then not too Kern on idea... see it as reasonable compromise though.
     
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  3. Milk

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    Any "50 miles" law would be, no doubt, challenged regarding breaking EU laws; a Lithuanian could say he was being denied work in big markets like Italy, Spain and England based on his nation of origin.

    It would have to be "from clubs academy for x years" based rule instead to not discriminate against hiring other EU nationalities.


    Unless UK took this as an opportunity to drop out of EU. Football should be a good enough reason.
     
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  4. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    True, but at least (with national side in mind) they'd be playing competitive technically superior football to the reserves or worse that they play now.

    The 50 mile thing was off top of head. I'm sure there's a formula that works better.

    I think the only way to avoid player hogging is a draft system that has a player fee/wage ceiling for under 21's and first pick goes to whatever level of league can be agreed. Realistically probably not further than bottom ten of the championship (last years placements), then top ten, then bottom ten of PL and finally top ten of PL: minimum of one year contract.

    It's not perfect but it gives some hope. There will always be losers after the cut off line that say "what about us?"
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    I think the point on english youth is decent.

    my own opinion is the EU need to seriously ban contracts for u17s so that players like suso stay home in spain til they are 17. we ripped off his club bascially.... barca got ripped off aon pique and fabregas.

    In the end our youth side has how many under age "foreign" boys?

    change the laws to just protect the kids i think....

    then you are right about the quality of coaching and ensuring the english coaches get their chance.

    This goes back to the argument over directors of football. frankly in the english system all they do is get into managers faces.

    If you had a b team and all that meant would you not want someone in charge for 10 years or such to pick the coaches at all levels so that you get the quality.
     
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  6. Slight problem with eighteen months thing. What if the lower club gain promotion to the feeder clubs division in the first season? Prefer that suggestion though.
     
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  7. 50 miles (or whatever distance) would be unfair on a seaside club too; only one direction.
     
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  8. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Imagine a Gibraltan football team!!!
     
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  9. They'd be able to pick Spaniards! <laugh>

    I think Morocco would be too far :huh:
     
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  10. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    Do we count as a seaside club <whistle>
     
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  11. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    Say square miles then, that way clubs in London can only go a certain distance each way but a club on the seaside can go further inland as they can't go out towards the sea <ok>
     
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  12. London clubs would have a higher population to choose from but more competition for the players signatures.

    TBH, its a impossible approach IMO. As Milk said (link), European law will prevent anything like this happening.

    Anyway, I don't really care about this side of it as I agree with TGOA in that if the English players are good enough then they will break through, the cream always raises. the issue remains with the level of youth coaching in this country and the lack of interest / commitment of the bigger clubs.

    Why not make clubs pay 1% of all transfer fees received into a youth incentive scheme? This could generate a hell of a lot of money towards paying coaches, buying equipment paying for venues etc. The Bale sale alone would have raised over £800,000, that's equivalent to 32 coaches on £25k per year! Not bad considering that's just one (albeit, very high) transfer! Then there is the TV money and gate receipts, it's not difficult to raise funds. As an incentive, other training academies money for each player that goes through their books to play professional football.
     
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  13. InBiscanWeTrust

    InBiscanWeTrust Rome, London, Paris, Rome, Istanbul, Madrid
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    I agree the main issue is with youth coaching. You go down and watch kids play football and in this country even at that age level it's all about winning and normally the physically advanced kids do better because they have a massive advantage.

    Kids are scared to play football for fear of losing the ball and being shouted at and being dropped. Instead of encouraging kids to take risks at the back and maybe concede a goal, we encourage them to just whack it long.

    What's the saying "if in doubt, kick it out". I'm sure the Spanish don't have a similar saying!
     
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  14. I've witnessed youngsters playing on a Sunday morning before our games and I have to say, the coaches and majority of parents seem fine, they (parents) don't shout and ball and the coaches encourage them to pass. Of course, that could be (and probably is) in the minority. There are still the odd few that scream and shout the wrong things. Maybe we should look at facilities where the parents are kept behind glass screens so that the kids can't hear them? <laugh>

    I think a lot of modern day coaches realise that kids need to be encouraged and its the older coaches that have been doing it for years and 'know how to do it' that are the problem. We've already get youngsters to play on smaller pitches with fewer players and stopped competitive football for under seven's which is a good step IMO. We just need to move on rather than standing still and admiring what we've done for a couple of years.
     
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  15. BCR

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    u 11 side ( this side is now 13 and actually went over to Spain to play against the real Barcelona team, 2 of the kids got picked up by la masia on that trip) against a well known club Arsenal FC..... not the Arsenal FC but they took the whole monikor and ran with it. Enjoy....

    [video=youtube;DThjb_XyyoU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThjb_XyyoU[/video]
     
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