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Grand Prix thread von Austria 2015 Chat and Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by EternalMSC, Jun 17, 2015.

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Whowillwinintheosterreichring?

Poll closed Jun 19, 2015.
  1. HAMILTON

    80.0%
  2. ROSBERG

    6.7%
  3. VETTEL

    6.7%
  4. RAIKKONEN

    6.7%
  5. BOTTAS

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  6. RICCIARDO

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  7. KVYAT

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  8. GROSJEAN

    0 vote(s)
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  9. NASR

    0 vote(s)
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  10. OTHER: Please State

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  1. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    Vettel vs Massa may be action packed.
     
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  2. EternalMSC

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    Very late from Max there. Still at it with Pastor. Makings of an accident.
     
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  3. SgtBhaji

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    Well... Rosberg walked that on.
     
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  4. TopClass

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    I switched off about 20 laps ago.

    It might be tiresome listening to people like me moan about the racing but genuinely, I cannot accept that anyone currently finds this entertaining other than the casual pro-Brit or pro-German fanboy type. I'm not arsed who wins- as long as they fight their ass off for it and are on the ragged edge.

    The racing looks slow on the TV, and sounds worse. David Croft is genuinely the most unbearable commentator on SkySports and this is a company who employ Jim Watt on the boxing, and that says something. He is utterly clueless, it is obvious they are trying to sell this **** heap of a show and even to hear Brundle get on the defensive for the sport has become painful.

    You've got two works teams capable of winning a Championship. No Merc customer car will ever win a Grand Prix barring exceptional (retirements/failures) circumstances, Renault are poor and Honda are an embarrassment.

    I cannot ever understand how in competitive sport, and remember- this IS sport before anything else- you have extremely limited development on the most key component- the power. It is the first differentiator before any of the aero becomes so influential.

    I'm lost for words for how bad it is.

    I watched the Isle Of Man last week/week before and it made F1 look what it is- an absolute procession dominated by politics, money and needless complexities.
     
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  5. SgtBhaji

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    The sound of the cars doesn't bother me at all... the lack of competition is just terrible though. I really hoped Ferrari would be closer this year.
     
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  6. EternalMSC

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    Im starting to think Kimi is here for the money and nothing else.
     
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  7. EternalMSC

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    Would be great to see Alonsos onboard. Non-existent like his testing crash.
     
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  8. Smithers

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    Another very poor race, in fact shocking. I can't understand the inconsistency of the penalties as well - 5 sec penalty for a safety infringement, ( speeding in the pit lane and crossing the pit lane line exit) against the multiple grid penalties, drive through and stop & go penalties for reliability?
     
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  9. SgtBhaji

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    They really need to rethink some of these penalties. People that are new to the sport must scratch their head in utter confusion.
     
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  10. EternalMSC

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    Croft stubbornly attacking the overall negative response from fans that have grown piss bored of the sport.
    Then implies that a crash made the race more interesting. Jeb-end.
     
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  11. di Fredsta!

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    How is Kimi actually driving this season? That's 2 races in a row now he's lost it under traction, and yet a little kid can drive it faster and more reliably than him. He's way too old and useless for a "top team". Ferrari would be stupid to keep him in over someone like Vergne
     
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  12. EternalMSC

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    He recently said F1 needs to be more dangerous. I laughed, Kimi has been unable to control a present F1 car on two occasions this season. As a Kimi fan myself i've had enough.
     
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  13. SgtBhaji

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    Yeah... because fewer cars in the race make it more exciting. Doh!
     
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  14. Piebacca

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    Seriously, though, terrible race. The track doesn't help. I've watched some old races at the Osterreichring. Brilliant track. This one is it's red headed stepchild.
     
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  16. Piebacca

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    I think we need more European races. People might say that having most of the races in Europe unfairly robs other from hosting a race, but the simple fact is that pretty much all the world's great F1 tracks are in Europe.
     
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  17. Max Whiplash

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    Well, good call, Toby, if I may call you that :) And yeah, an awful race that had looked promising off the start line, which makes 'Crofty' even more of a dick for suggesting that the crash improved the race as it was the safety car that killed it off as soon as it began. Nevertheless, Lewis disappointed this weekend and, with hindsight, his muted response to pole now reads as if he knew he had got lucky yesterday.

    On the other hand, Bottas, Hulk, Pastor, Max and Pérez all provided some entertainment so well done to them; not to mention Massa's defence in the closing stages.
     
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  18. El_Bando

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    Great to see Rosberg can actually engineer a race win. Well deserved.

    Kimi... He is slipping again literally. I think that's him out now.
     
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  19. DHCanary

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    I can't see any benefit to giving Kimi a contract next season now. If he was solidly bringing home reasonable points then fair enough, but any number of younger drivers look capable of matching his performances this season, and developing a younger driver helps them more for 2017.

    Race seemed dull despite some reasonable midfield action, and Massa holding off Vettel towards the end. It just felt like we needed more cars to be honest. We were down to 14 pretty quickly, and there's pretty big differences between the performance of each team at the moment.
     
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  20. Mrcento

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    I think Kimi is (Sadly), finished (no nationality pun intended).

    He is a busted flush.

    Don't get me wrong, He's still a very good race driver, but he can't string together qualy, which often leaves him well out of position and vulnerable to incidents in the pack, where he has shown he can't effectively "keep his nose clean", the way other drivers can more often than not. You always feel when he;s starting low down, there's a large chance of something happening, and most worryingly of all, when it does it generally seems that it is him doing something to trigger an accident.

    How many times now has the Ferrari snapped on him strangely on colder tyres? i think it was twice in Canada last year, once at Silverstone (where he took out Massa in a very similar incident to the one with Alonso today), Again at Canada this year and now in Austria? Sorry, but that is too often, especially when it's not happening to the other car, so you can't blame that on software. The throttle isn't an on off switch and once it's on, you can blend out of it when you feel the rear going light. How many times does it have to happen before he realises that he can't just bury his foot down and ignore traction on colder tyres, with a torquey turbo engine and the sharper start/pit map?

    No action taken, but frankly, i believe he deserved a penalty for todays accident. Perhaps because the car was so straight when it initially snapped, he gets the faintest benefit of doubt from the FIA, but the fact remains it lost traction then spat him off over bumps, he had time to correct but seemed to keep his foot burried down, so from that aspect, it's an avoidable incident caused by driver ignorance. If Maldonado (who had 2 or 3 great catches today in his defence!), Grosjean etc did the same, they would get crucified for it.
     
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