Vegas shooting

[The Ginger Marks]

Is it Frank? I hear he formed ISIS.

Nah the was Hugh Hefner Hitler.

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[Stan]

There's a common denominator in all these things

The need for attention is astonishing.

 

[The Ginger Marks]

When I was in Vegas, I visited one of the many gun ranges, and got my hands on an arsenal of fully and semi automatic weapons. You can, quite literally, get your hands on everything and anything out there (except nuclear and high-energy weapons). On the range next to me, there was a kid of around 16 or 17 having a go on a minigun, firing off rounds at the rate of around 70 per second. I would have had a go, except for the fact that, discarding the hire of the weapon, the ammunition cost around $200 per second!

Speaking to the guys who ran the range, I was told that more people carried guns in Vegas than Chicago. The gun culture is deeply ingrained into these people, and they are not fruitcake-CharltonHeston you'll-have-to-break-my-dead-fingers-before-I-give-up-my-gun types.

This type of incident is the price that most Americans seem prepared to pay in order to retain the right to bare arms.

I bet you’ve had your hands around many guns Bell, there’s a lot of Arsenal fans in Basingstoke.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

When I was in Vegas, I visited one of the many gun ranges, and got my hands on an arsenal of fully and semi automatic weapons. You can, quite literally, get your hands on everything and anything out there (except nuclear and high-energy weapons). On the range next to me, there was a kid of around 16 or 17 having a go on a minigun, firing off rounds at the rate of around 70 per second. I would have had a go, except for the fact that, discarding the hire of the weapon, the ammunition cost around $200 per second!

Speaking to the guys who ran the range, I was told that more people carried guns in Vegas than Chicago. The gun culture is deeply ingrained into these people, and they are not fruitcake-CharltonHeston you'll-have-to-break-my-dead-fingers-before-I-give-up-my-gun types.

This type of incident is the price that most Americans seem prepared to pay in order to retain the right to bare arms.

I think that he just modified a few "normal" guns, judging by what I've read elsewhere.
You can fire lots of ridiculous stuff at ranges, but actually owning it is prohibitively expensive and you have to jump through lots of hoops.
A few rifles that you can make fully automatic with a $20 piece of metal and a couple of tools? Much cheaper and easier.

Bumpfire stocks or handcranks seem to be popular suggestions right now, while few facts are available.
The variation in the rate of fire and the way that it accelerates and then drops off is quite odd and specific, apparently.
Fully automatic weapons would be more consistent.

 

[The Ginger Marks]

I think that he just modified a few "normal" guns, judging by what I've read elsewhere.
You can fire lots of ridiculous stuff at ranges, but actually owning it is prohibitively expensive and you have to jump through lots of hoops.
A few rifles that you can make fully automatic with a $20 piece of metal and a couple of tools? Much cheaper and easier.

Bumpfire stocks or handcranks seem to be popular suggestions right now, while few facts are available.
The variation in the rate of fire and the way that it accelerates and then drops off is quite odd and specific, apparently.
Fully automatic weapons would be more consistent.

You mean he was Bullshitting?

 

[Hoddle is a god]

I think that he just modified a few "normal" guns, judging by what I've read elsewhere.
You can fire lots of ridiculous stuff at ranges, but actually owning it is prohibitively expensive and you have to jump through lots of hoops.
A few rifles that you can make fully automatic with a $20 piece of metal and a couple of tools? Much cheaper and easier.

Absolutely.

You can buy fully automatic assault rifles fairly easily in Arizona, California and Nevada (as well as many other States). They are not cheap, but certainly not beyond the means of anyone who holds down a regular decently-paid job.

The real cost, however, is the cost of ammunition, especially for the higher calibres.

.22 and .38 ammo is fairly cheap, but once you get up to 9mm and beyond, the price-hike is quite severe. And with fully automatic weapons, you can very quickly blow your way through the cost of your weapon during one session on the range.

I don't know anything about the bloke who carried out these mass murders, but I suspect that he'd been hoarding ammo for months.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

You mean he was Bullshitting?

No. Nothing that I said contradicted anything that HIAG posted.
You can fire lots of crazy guns in Vegas and Navada has quite loose gun laws, IIRC.
Illinois is much more strict, so more guns carried in Vegas than Chicago wouldn't surprise me, either.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

By the way, the ammo used must have been of a fairly large calibre (around .300 and above), given the range over which the gunman operated and the damage he caused.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

You can buy fully automatic assault rifles fairly easily in Arizona, California and Nevada (as well as many other States). They are not cheap, but certainly not beyond the means of anyone who holds down a regular decently-paid job.

I agree about the ammo thing, but I think that you might be confusing semi-automatic with fully automatic, HIAG.
Pull the trigger once and it fires once? Easy to get hold of and relatively affordable.
Hold the trigger down and it continues firing? Hard to get hold of, very expensive and in very limited supply.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

I agree about the ammo thing, but I think that you might be confusing semi-automatic with fully automatic, HIAG.
Pull the trigger once and it fires once? Easy to get hold of and relatively affordable.
Hold the trigger down and it continues firing? Hard to get hold of, very expensive and in very limited supply.

No, I know what I'm talking about. Trust me.

I'm talking purely about semi-automatic weapons, here.

From what we are being told from eye-witnesses, it sounds as though there was a lone gunman, and he was using at least one semi-automatic weapon. The rate of fire doesn't sound like it was fully automatic. With a fully automatic weapon, you can rip through an entire magazine in seconds.

With a semi-automatic weapon, you have to fire off each round, and the rate of fire will depend upon how quickly the weapon cocks and loads. But, basically, the rate of fire will be as fast as you can keep pulling the trigger. You can allow for between 45-60 rounds per minute. I should have allowed for a slower rate of fire, given the gunman's age (reported to be 65 years old), so I reckon he won't be as fast as someone in his prime.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

I agree about the ammo thing, but I think that you might be confusing semi-automatic with fully automatic, HIAG.
Pull the trigger once and it fires once? Easy to get hold of and relatively affordable.
Hold the trigger down and it continues firing? Hard to get hold of, very expensive and in very limited supply.

Sorry, I may have misread what you wrote...

Yes, I think the gunman used at least one semi-auto rifle (going by what witnesses have been saying).

I don't think he used an automatic weapon. You would definitely be able to tell the difference.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

Sorry, I may have misread what you wrote...

Yes, I think the gunman used at least one semi-auto rifle (going by what witnesses have been saying).

I don't think he used an automatic weapon. You would definitely be able to tell the difference.

He had "in excess of 10" rifles in his room, apparently. No confirmation on what they were or how many he actually used.

Some talk of him being recently divorced and going on a gambling binge before the shooting.
His father was once on the FBI most wanted list too, allegedly.
Take all of this with a pinch of salt though, as the rumour mill tends to go a bit mental after one of these.

 

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[Number 1 Jasper]

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Bloody hell .

 

[Hoddle is a god]

He had "in excess of 10" rifles in his room, apparently. No confirmation on what they were or how many he actually used.

Some talk of him being recently divorced and going on a gambling binge before the shooting.
His father was once on the FBI most wanted list too, allegedly.
Take all of this with a pinch of salt though, as the rumour mill tends to go a bit mental after one of these.

It's fairly ****ed up, whatever the truth may be, that's for sure, mate.

Even if he had a hunting rifle with .375 calibre ammo, he could do a lot of damage firing into a crowd, since a single round could cause a number of casualties.

 

[Tobes]

It's fairly ****ed up, whatever the truth may be, that's for sure, mate.

Even if he had a hunting rifle with .375 calibre ammo, he could do a lot of damage firing into a crowd, since a single round could cause a number of casualties.

He was using automatic rifles

 

[The Ginger Marks]

It's fairly ****ed up, whatever the truth may be, that's for sure, mate.

Even if he had a hunting rifle with .375 calibre ammo, he could do a lot of damage firing into a crowd, since a single round could cause a number of casualties.

Not in your sticky hands as you'd probably shoot yourself in the knackers given your penchant for pulling your weiner.

 

[Hoddle is a god]

He was using automatic rifles

How do you know that?

From the video footage I have seen, and the several witness accounts I have read, this bears all the hallmarks of someone using, at most, a semi-automatic weapon (or a bolt-action rifle, if he's quick on the reload).

 

[Tobes]

How do you know that?

From the video footage I have seen, and the several witness accounts I have read, this bears all the hallmarks of someone using, at most, a semi-automatic weapon (or a bolt-action rifle, if he's quick on the reload).

Put Sky news on there's clear footage of the firing and it's definitely an automatic rifle

 

[NSIS]

Put Sky news on there's clear footage of the firing and it's definitely an automatic rifle

Seen it on my phone. No doubt it's automatic gunfire..