Off Topic Veganism

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I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian, but I am dabbling in lowering my meat consumption after being made more aware of the problems intensive animal agriculture is causing. Here's a quote from a website:

"Animal agriculture is the leading cause of deforestation, water consumption and pollution, is responsible for more greenhouse gases than the transportation industry, and is a primary driver of rainforest destruction, species extinction, habitat loss, topsoil erosion, ocean “dead zones,” and virtually every other environmental ill. Yet it goes on, almost entirely unchallenged."

I know there are irritating fundamentalist vegans in the same way we have irritating fundamentalist Daily Mail readers, but anyone with the capacity to do more than just make noise owes it to themselves to find out more.
 
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Craig in Nottingham said:
I'm not a vegan or a vegetarian, but I am dabbling in lowering my meat consumption after being made more aware of the problems intensive animal agriculture is causing. Here's a quote from a website:

"Animal agriculture is the leading cause of deforestation, water consumption and pollution, is responsible for more greenhouse gases than the transportation industry, and is a primary driver of rainforest destruction, species extinction, habitat loss, topsoil erosion, ocean “dead zones,” and virtually every other environmental ill. Yet it goes on, almost entirely unchallenged."

I know there are irritating fundamentalist vegans in the same way we have irritating fundamentalist Daily Mail readers, but anyone with the capacity to do more than just make noise owes it to themselves to find out more.
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It doesn't really matter though does it, these changes will have little effect on us. By the time they do start having an impact, the human race will be floating round the universe living on space stations.
 
Mr. Hat said:
It doesn't really matter though does it, these changes will have little effect on us. By the time they do start having an impact, the human race will be floating round the universe living on space stations.
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You're right, I forgot about that.
 
Cows produce an awful lot of methane and if we cut down on just beef consumption, we'd help the planet. An enormous amount of pasture is given over to animal feed so we would free up space for arable and in turn feed more people.
 
All the health / environment / sanctimonious arguments that vegans have don't change one point

They can't eat bacon sandwiches and I can...ergo I am right
 
tigercity said:
Cows produce an awful lot of methane and if we cut down on just beef consumption, we'd help the planet. An enormous amount of pasture is given over to animal feed so we would free up space for arable and in turn feed more people.
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There's a few surprising stats on this:
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Fez said:
I know quite a few vegetarians, even more confused selective omnivores (won't eat red-meat, even though they like it - sneak a bacon sarnie), but I don't know one as-defined Vegan. How many do you know?
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Personally only three, all relatives and not beardy weirdo types really. Obviously we see other examples in the media.
 
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The ****s are more likely to get bowel cancer and suffer other related diseases.

Sides, if we weren't meant to eat meat it wouldn't taste so awesome.
 
Sterling Archer said:
I'm not saying it isn't a healthy alternative, I'm sure it has many merits. It's their righteous indignation against everybody else that gets on my nerves.

The appendix in other herbivores is much more prominent as it carries more of a function. In our bodies, it has been proposed that our appendicies are linked to diarrhoea recovery.
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I'm not sure most vegans have 'righteous indignation against everybody else' probably just a small minority of idiots like you find everywhere in life. Most veggies or vegans I talk to don't mention it unless you ask or are actually at a restaurant with them.
 
Speaking as a vegetarian, I would start by saying I would never attempt to convert another soul into the life choices that I have made, and probably wouldn't discuss my choices unless asked a specific question. I'm not sure that this forum is the place to discuss such a topic and there will surely be plenty of smart arses on here that will think of hilarious responses to serious posts - they will never change. My life choices of food eating revolve around not wanting to eat animal flesh. I think the idea is repulsive and if any smart arses can be bothered to research any of the 'humane' methods used to slaughter animals they will I'm sure be totally unmoved by what they see. Gassing pigs whilst held in tight cages, firing missiles from point blank range into cows skulls whilst trussed to a conveyor belt etc etc- the list is endless. I have chosen to avoid this lifestyle. And when you add the inhumane methods to brainwash a cow into thinking that she is still pregnant so as to continue to produce milk ( at a marginal profit for the 'farmer' ) you have the start of the Vegan way if life. I know that this post will attract the usual witty comment and I can live with that. I can also live with my life choices.
highpeak tiger said:
The same unshakeable logic is also true of vegetarians:
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Vegetarians produce an awful lot of methane and if we ate vegetarians we'd help the planet
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If livestock, such as Cattle were not used for meat or dairy by humans, they would be virtually extinct. The space and natural resources they consume would threaten the existence of a non meat eating mankind and they'd be all but wiped out, or at least reduced to the low numbers of animals such as Elephants, tigers, lions etc. as they would serve little purpose to mankind.
 
pierredelafranchesca said:
If livestock, such as Cattle were not used for meat or dairy by humans, they would be virtually extinct. The space and natural resources they consume would threaten the existence of a non meat eating mankind and they'd be all but wiped out, or at least reduced to the low numbers of animals such as Elephants, tigers, lions etc. as they would serve little purpose to mankind.
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I'd have to say, as much as I like beef, that it wouldn't be a bad thing in terms of the environment and people's health and well-being.
 
There are obviously better ways to procure meat than we are doing, which is annoying in itself because some of the more inhumane methods are really brutal and totally avoidable.

I'd never tell anybody to change their lifestyle based on my own opinions, if people want to be vegan then that's fine by me, likewise pescatarians, vegetarians, people on Atkins diets (is that still a thing?), meat lovers, whatever. What's not fine is when I'm being cojoled by some lunatics who think that "milk is murder" and won't wear a wool jumper because an animal was exploited. They're fine wearing a cotton polo made in a sweat shop in Taiwan, but **** me eat a bit of Brie and they're all over you.

Don't tell me how to live my life and we'll be the best of friends. Start telling me I'm living my life wrong and I'll teabag your corpse.
 
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