And you walk into a bar into Montevideo and scream "Your sister's a whore" in Spanish, and see how many of them say "Ah, that's just a French excaimation".
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And you walk into a bar into Montevideo and scream "Your sister's a whore" in Spanish, and see how many of them say "Ah, that's just a French excaimation".
I think the difference between the Suarez and Clattenburg cases is that Suarez admitted to using a racist slur
Except he didn't, did he?
He admitted to using a certain word. That word was then deemed to be racist by an independent panel.
At no point did he say 'yes, it was a racist slur, and I said it,' or anything similar.
Anyway, to the Clattenberg case. The FA have made a rod for their own back with their 'balance of probability' criteria. The fact that two Chelsea players are willing to testify makes it 'probable' that it happened. So we'll see how they treat this one.
It can't simply be a cause of saying 'two say he did, three say he didn't' and deciding the three must be right because there are more of them. There are a few reasons that may have contributed to the three officials not hearing it.
1) it didn't happen
2) they weren't paying attention - the 4th official may have been speaking with the manager, and I assume this is heard via the earpieces too.
3) as an extension of 2, noise polution
4) they can't remember
5) he covered his microphone
6) they're lying
All of these would have to be considered/ruled out during the investigation.
It doesn't have to be in Uruguay mate.
It could be in Japan, Saudi Arabia or New Zealand. If you say to someone ''You're sisters a whore'' in spanish to someone that speaks spanish, then its an insult. However stating that a black person is ''black'' is stating the obvious. Suarez said to Evra ''You're black''. The reply to that, jesus I never noticed. Its like called Stevie Wonder blind, or telling Titus Bramble he's crap.
Proves that in Uruguay 'your sister is a whore' is taken as a greater slur than 'negro'. In England it's the other way around. But then, the conversation took place in Spanish, so you can't just go by direct translations without recognition of context and cultural meanings.
The historical persecution of black people for the supposed crime of being black seems to have completely passed you by KPR. You too Dong.
Can we stop ****ing dragging Suarez through the mud in every single thread? This article and case has sod all to do with Suarez, and anyone who brings him into every case is an idiot. Even our fans.
When and if Clattenburg is found guilty then we can draw comparisons to the resulting media witchhunt, punishment, etc. Until then I'm sick of seeing Luis Suarez did/didn't/might have/sort of did/kind of didn't/perhaps/maybe/most likely didn't be racist blah blah blah blah. This thread is about a manager in the English game defending a referee from allegations of racism.
Let's get back to the point, shall we?
They are, from what I believe picked by Clattenburg himself? Or that's what some media report. They are a team that he puts together for matches, and if they do poorly they are relegated and never heard from again. Let's be honest, the only linesman's name we remembered is probably Sian Massey. The pressure is even bigger on them to get in both the FA's and the referee's good book. Asking them to testify is a conflict of interest and that's what I'm concerned about in this case. The solution is to record and release every second of footage, private or not. Get some accountability in there and these things won't happen.
You are right about Ferguson. I also don't think that he did something as harsh as that but for Fergie to immediately skip the investigation and declare him innocent is a kick in the face. It damages the legitimacy of the external investigation. I think he should have just answered every other question. It may be boring to you but it's not a stretch to say "Sorry the authorities are investigating, I'll answer that question after the results come in". After that he can say "oh I knew it all along". But not before, in case he actually did abuse Mikel/Mata/Torres.
When and if Clattenburg is found guilty then we can draw comparisons to the resulting media witchhunt, punishment, etc. Until then I'm sick of seeing Luis Suarez did/didn't/might have/sort of did/kind of didn't/perhaps/maybe/most likely didn't be racist blah blah blah blah. This thread is about a manager in the English game defending a referee from allegations of racism.
Let's get back to the point, shall we?
They are, from what I believe picked by Clattenburg himself? Or that's what some media report. They are a team that he puts together for matches, and if they do poorly they are relegated and never heard from again. Let's be honest, the only linesman's name we remembered is probably Sian Massey. The pressure is even bigger on them to get in both the FA's and the referee's good book. Asking them to testify is a conflict of interest and that's what I'm concerned about in this case. The solution is to record and release every second of footage, private or not. Get some accountability in there and these things won't happen.
You are right about Ferguson. I also don't think that he did something as harsh as that but for Fergie to immediately skip the investigation and declare him innocent is a kick in the face. It damages the legitimacy of the external investigation. I think he should have just answered every other question. It may be boring to you but it's not a stretch to say "Sorry the authorities are investigating, I'll answer that question after the results come in". After that he can say "oh I knew it all along". But not before, in case he actually did abuse Mikel/Mata/Torres.
Sad thing for Mark Clattenburg is that his career as a top level ref is now pretty much over.
Chelsea will not want him refereeing their games. No one will want him refeering any games vs Man Utd because of their fans banners and chanting. And teams like Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs etc won't want him refereeing them because of his perceived Man Utd bias.
Chelsea will not want him refereeing their games. No one will want him refeering any games vs Man Utd because of their fans banners and chanting. And teams like Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal, Spurs etc won't want him refereeing them because of his perceived Man Utd bias.
The first match he refs (if) for any of these clubs will probably have a major decision in favour of the big club. He'll try to compensate subconciously unfortunately.
Raheemthespeedmachine:3707108 said:
Cracking story. Real good to have you back, making sense of all those things we don't understand.
donga darko:3707072 said:
Of course it's relevant you ****ing idiot.
Have you considered seeking help?
I had nothing better to do so I read this thread - what a hoot!
Where did all the usual manc suspects magically appear from? Apart from a desperate attempt to defend Ferguson, what did they achieve? They certainly added nothing either new or persuasive to the Clattenburg debate.
After that we go through a mish-mash of the never ending Suarez debate - again for no good purpose or to any great effect.
So should ferguson have kept his trap shut? YES but then he couldn't resist the sound of his own voice so at least he was consistant.
Where did all the usual manc suspects magically appear from? Apart from a desperate attempt to defend Ferguson, what did they achieve? They certainly added nothing either new or persuasive to the Clattenburg debate.
After that we go through a mish-mash of the never ending Suarez debate - again for no good purpose or to any great effect.
So should ferguson have kept his trap shut? YES but then he couldn't resist the sound of his own voice so at least he was consistant.
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Fergie had to try and help Clattenburg out,if he's found guilty then Man Utd will have to replace him
And your view on what Wenger and Jol had to say is...? You're a bitter glory hunting twat!
Fergie had to try and help Clattenburg out,if he's found guilty then Man Utd will have to replace him
Just like Kenny defended his own man (and Ferguson defended Schmeichal). Logical when you look at it like that.
Cracking story. Real good to have you back, making sense of all those things we don't understand.
Its great to have him back. Place had lost that feeling of spastication only he can provide.
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Whats with the insults...? I think some people may have been on the juice
Its all Dave understands when he grumpy
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