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Update on Saints from reliable SaintsWeb poster

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by - Doing The Lambert Walk, Jun 2, 2014.

  1. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    soft approach. 5 minutes in the England squad and suddenly he deserves better? The way this is heading (rumor only for now) smacks of big time charlie
     
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  2. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    Not in a million years, Ever worked in sales?
     
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  3. saintlyhero

    saintlyhero Well-Known Member

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    I'm afraid that's a bit of a generalisation. Yes, general skills like good confidence and communication are important but the most important thing is a knowledge of the product(s) your selling and the overall industry. People can smell bullshit and someone flying by the seat of their pants with generalisations (see Ralph)
    If you have a good knowledge and passion for your business then the customer is more likely to warm to you and purchase from you.
     
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  4. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    I wish Adam hadn't suddenly changed his position about Saints when he had 5 minutes success and international recognition. However, I'm trying to be reasonable here as he has contributed a lot over the past few years. I wonder if it is about Mauricio leaving...he thought if we are not big enough for MP, we are not big enough for him. Disappointed in him, but trying not to make it too personal (difficult as that is). Glad it means the board look stronger than we thought, even if in the end they decide not to keep him.

    Is it the CEO being kept out of the loop...isn't it more likely that it is Ralph....remembering how he was unaware about Rickie's sale. The problem is that, apart from knowing nothing about football, he also knows nothing about being chairman of a board (unless I missed something in his CV).

    The Shaw issue may be that he isn't going and he certainly isn't agitating. We would know if he was because it would be all over twitter (bless him). However, it is possible that a lucrative deal is being sorted out properly behind doors. I am glad that Luke has such a good and supportive family as he does appear to be a little helpless....as shown by him still being driven around by team mates (probably can't pass the written test :)). I think both him and Saints would benefit from a couple more years here, but an offer approaching 30 mill with a sell on clause could be good business.
     
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  5. pass the football

    pass the football Well-Known Member

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    It's a lot easier to learn about a new product than it is to learn how to sell. You can have all the knowledge in the world, if the customer doesn't trust you, you're not getting that sale. Of course someone who worked in marketing for apple has skills that will apply to marketing a football club.
     
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  6. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    This is true PTF, however your statement about if you can sell, you can sell anything is wide of the mark and, as saintlyhero says, a generalization.
     
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  7. Beddy

    Beddy Plays the percentage

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    To be honest...I would have thought we would have learned our lessons about employing people with little or no knowledge of Professional football with that t**t that came from Rugby. Having weird and wonderful ideas does not make a good club necessarily. You have to know about the fans, the game itself, the idiosyncrasies of professional football.
    I have heard it said that fans are the same all over the world no matter the sport. That statement on it's own showed how little the author knew of Football fans.
    As for Adam I think he was particularly close to Pochettino. He is reaching his peak years and in all honesty you cannot blame him for trying his luck in the football elite of the champions league. At the earliest it will take us another 5 years to really challenge the top 4/5 for the title or be get into that famed league.
    We will get there but until we can lose the tag of possible relegation candidates each and every year, as we were for the 27 years we were in the top league. There is going to be little you can do to stop losing our star players to the so called top clubs. The only consolation maybe, other than abroad as such, no one is likely to want to leave to clubs that regularly finish lower than us in the premier. Which used to be the way it went during our previous tenure of the EPL. The main interest today is the fact they are all the more interested in the fact they are of course good players but also English.
     
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  8. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    The lady from Apple has to get quickly to the core of what makes our club tick or we will get the pip.
     
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  9. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    You can't get their quickly Fran, you have to peel through the layers slowly otherwise the whole thing could crumble and then we could get a turnover.
     
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  10. mowgli

    mowgli Well-Known Member

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    That he does. I've been really impressed these last few years with Saints honouring the contracts for players unlikely to get back inthe first team - e.g. Barnard, Forte, etc The flip side is that they have every right to demand players honour their contracts.
     
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  11. Joe!

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    Well he is pretty good, isn't he.
     
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  12. Beddy

    Beddy Plays the percentage

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    In some ways you are right PTF. In truth you do have to learn to "sell yourself". Product knowledge is always necessary of course it is. However finding the customers needs is just as important. your job as a salesman depends on finding his "needs and wants"
    So saying once you have learned to sell you can sell anything is a generalization is true. you need to learn the particular peculiarities of the product/products you are selling and not necessarily your selling skills as an individual. There are products that virtually sell themselves but the skill comes when you recognise how it will particularly help the person in front of you. No sales skill needed just product thoroughness.
     
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  13. Saint

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    Does anyone actually know the name of this apple lady, as in second name, Terry........?
     
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  14. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    Granny Smith
     
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  15. mowgli

    mowgli Well-Known Member

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    That t**t that came from Rugby has since been shown to have positively influenced parts of the club. I agree that the suggstion he be fast tracked as a coach (if true) was a numpty idea, the guy clearly has talent in some areas - particularly around the pyschology of winning. What is important is to use peoples talents correctly. If we did not consider the wierd and wonderful ideas, pre season ttraining would still be running round the common until the players threw up.

    And yes, we can blame Adam (again, IF true) since he is under a long term contract that no one forced him to sign. He was quoted as wanting to stay at this club. I seem to remember something along the lines of 'if someone told me I would finish my career here, I would bite their hand off...' That kissing of the badge on the parade of honour after the Man U game could end up looking cringeworthy :(

    You are of course right that we will always lose players but we are approaching the point where we can say if you want to leave, you go abroad - not to one of our nearest rivals.
     
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  16. fatletiss

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    Is she a pink lady?
     
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  17. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Tbf to Adam, he was also crying during the parade. I doubt he has stopped loving Saints...he has just made a decision to move on. And although things are leaking out, he hasn't (yet) come out publically lambasting the club.
     
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  18. mowgli

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    Very true. All unconfirmed sources at the moment so we should take it all with a pinch of salt and not over react. To be honest, with the priority focussed on securing a new maanger, he's expecting a lot to get his phone calls answered immediately. In reality I suspect he is only focussed on the World Cup. Wasn't that what is Dad said a while back?

    My only fear is that he is being tapped up by other England players on behalf of their own clubs. A sort of drip feed brain wash.
     
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  19. Sotonist

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    they already told him they were holding out for £30m
     
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  20. I Sorry I Ruined The Party

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    I think Krueger is taking too much heat.

    To me, his job is to sell the SFC "brand" as fun, family-friendly club, exciting club you should want to sponsor, to get along with the supporters to promote goodwill, etc. Basically, PR-type stuff. Like that charity bikeride was good. Internally, I think he would serve as an advisor to KL who knows enough about sport to handle the issues that would get passed up to her. Not stuff about winning football, but just more general sports administration which he is qualified to do.

    So far, it sounds like his biggest failing is that he keeps fobbing off the football stuff to Les Reed. Which IMO, is exactly what he should be doing. So either Reed isn't doing a good job, or else there needs to be another appointment of someone who can handle this stuff. He really shouldn't be picking up the phone when Lallana or his agent calls. And I don't think Lallana/agent really want to be dealing with Kreuger anyway, they'd want to speak to Reed.

    He's been dealt a **** hand, really. It would be impossible for someone to put a happy spin on what has transpired recently. So now everyone hates him, and that too is part of his job. If he were out there announcing Pochettino had re-signed and we just got Lukaku in the same happy-clappy, orgspeak we'd all be eating it up and loving him.

    To me, the problem is that to some extent he's the guy who is supposed to take the hits in times like this and/or to some degree he's been assigned things he shouldn't be and which to me can be solved simply by bringing in another person at the exec/leadership level.

    We do need a person to sell the brand. And I don't think Cortese was a good choice because I don't think he cared or enjoyed that sort of stuff, he just wanted to dominate everyone on the football pitch. And people outside of the players/football insiders didn't seem to like him much. At all. And he didn't care or even relished that.

    The idea of Cortese/Kreuger as good cop/bad cop, football guy/business guy seems like it would have been a decent approach. It's just that Cortese didn't go for it. To my mind, Reed then took Cortese's place and Kreuger became the guy who would have been paired up with Cortese. KL probably thought this was alright as Reed/Kreuger seemed to get along and she finally had peace in the organization. But Reed seems not to be able to carry off all the football duties Cortese did.
     
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