Off Topic UK politics and brexit ramblings

So what's the future for Britain 10 years from now? Smaller economy with manufacturing, agriculture, and banking jobs ravaged

Probably Scotland demanding a new referendum so they can rejoin the EU. Maybe Welsh seperatism even becoming a real issue too.

Britain in some sort of limbo having to obey EU rules to do trade but at a disadvantage.

PL no longer a major league after losing foreign talent.

At least the NHS will be getting £300million extra a week... Or whatever it was supposed to be...

 

with a torrie government who wants to privatize it? yeah ok

no idea, but will seriously think about emigrating.

 

The Tories tried to give millions to a ferry company with no ferries, so giving money to a NHS consultancy with no doctors will be easy

 

3 Tories just noticed that May made an agreement with he DUP in 2017 and have decided to join the new NotOurFault party

 

FFS.

this "new party" is already larger than the libtards.

 

Bandwagon jumping cretins.

Libtards have been nothing since they took the piss out of students who mainly got them into a position of power.

 

Theres certainly space for a new political party in the UK. The issue with first past the post politics and single seat constituencies is that its HIGHLY likely all 8 MPs who have done this will vanish after next election

I don't see a "leader" there

the farage racist party will get more seats imo.

the liberals ****ed themselves in scotland where they had a foothold and they've really ****ed themselves being the tories whipping boys for 5 years. Cant see them getting back.

Its always sort of struck me as odd that the two choices are The "rich mans" party and the "workers union" party you'd have thought that since 1945 there would have been more splintering into different types of parties.

the "hard left" of labour and the "centrist socialist everyone gets something while we get rich" side of the labour party seem utterly diametircally opposed.

The tories actually seem less split. You've what amounts to the "racist, back to empire" side of thier party for the rich and then the "snouts in the tough" central isde of their party. they seem to all get on once they have enough swill to go round.



Right now
others (including monstor raving looney party, theyare all baout the same... nutsoids)
Sin Fein (the we would shoot you but we won't take our seats party)
UKIP (the we were nigel's party and racist but now we are just racist party)
DUP (lunatic, ultra conservative, hardline bang the drum and wave the flag)
Plaid (we are welsh but too nice to be troublesome, bit of a hippy set)
Greens (the loony rich peopel who want everyone ELSE to save the planet by becoming hippys)
SNP (the we can't decide if we are left wing or just out for political gain party, since devolution to keep them sweet they have eaten the labour parties dinner in scotland)
The liberals (the we have roots going all the way back but are just a bunch who don't know what they want party)
Labour.
Conservatives

Of this list... the others, anyone from northern Ireland and ukip parties are all basics nuts. a big rump of what could only be described as needing to be protected form themselves by civil servants.

then you've the greens. shouting in the wilderness about needing to live off the earth but are usually quite well to do sorts. thus they have no support.

then youve a couple of "we like devolved parilaments partys who have noses in the troughs and just keep going on that basis

Then you've the liberals....

then you've two actual partys.

TBH its no more democratic than the USA and frankly they have two real elected houses plaus and elected president.


Why doesn't the UK have more sensible alternatives? theres a rump of lunatic NI lads and lassies (sorry frank but they are nuts) then you've self serving welsh and Scottish devolved parliament jockeys and then theres the two one sort of hard leftish to middle ground and then one cpaitalist party.

 

Meh... They'll probably merge after the next election.

 

Well to be honest, I'd much rather the Conservatives in the UK than the Republicans in the US.

But British system is much more conducive of new parties and small parties than the US.

The US has a similar FPTP system, but, the whole system is institutionalised into a two party arrangement.

In primaries, states pay for the two main parties to hold elections. All other parties must pay their own way.

When you go to vote, the first question on the ballot is "do you want to vote a straight party ticket". The choices are Republican or Democrat. Many people vote for one party, always for that party and never even look at another question on the ballot.

They may have liked the Third Party candidate for Governor, or Senator, but not end up voting for him because they see that first question and automatically say "I'm a Democrat", or "I'm a Republican" cast their straight party ticket and never have a chance to vote for the Third Party candidate that they otherwise might have voted for.

The US system is nailed down. Republicans and Democrats have made sure that no other party can ever challenge their dominance.


Be glad you're in the UK where new parties can form, do form, and frequently stick around for a while. Overall you may be stuck with the same two parties year after year as the big ones... But other parties do occasionally get elected.

 

you don't have to convince me of that.

It's been interesting seeing the rest of you at the mercy of the orange KKK for once

 

The rebels now number 11. I hope their numbers will increase significantly.

It’s high time the moderate voters and middle ground people have a semblance of representation in parliament. The Conservative party have turned to the right and effectively ruled by the ultra wingers of the ERG and Rees-Mogg. The labour now are run by the hard left and momentum. Both parties support Brexit in whichever form. Corbyn has become (maybe has always been) an ally of the ultra Brexiteers if not in words then in his actions and consequences.

The majority of people do not want a Brexit and its consequences on jobs and the economy. But the 2 big parties are not listening to them.

 

until a real leader emerges for this group it's going to be irrelevant.

if they decide to be no voters on a withdrawal deal then they are pointless too.

there is a deadlock in parliament. this group is mostly weakening labour yeah?

The issue is within 1 month.. or more likely within 1 week either a deal is done or no deal is the option... or beg more time.

you are right about corbyn.

the issue for me now is either they vote through mays deal exactly as is and look total fools after calling it terrible or they cause a cataclismic no deal

 

Have they announced a single policy yet? Yesterday the "Three Amigos" were still championing austerity.

 

today's headlines is we will all eat Brazilian beef at zero tariff (somehow) if the irish don't give in.

 

The plan becomes clear.

The rebels are as big as the DUP and want their £1b handout from May.

 

nope.

you forget the ex tories in their midst.

every tory defector is a serious issue for may.

rememebr she started with a minority government with 318 MPS and had a total of 328

YOu remove the sin fein votes of 7 from the total of 650 to give 643 as the total available votes. thus you have 322 be the majority.

minus 3 tory defectors and now there no majority at all.shes on 324. its literally one more tory defector in theory.

IF you add up

labour 247
SNp 35
independants 19
liberals 11
plaid 4
greens 1

thats 317 seats.

theres the speaker... and a vacant seat. thats 319

then theres the 7 who wont take seats. thats 326...


In short this government now.... IF these independants vote against government.... has not workable majority.

Once there is some break in this brexit ****. be it an extension, a no to no deal vote or a vote fo may's deal then this **** is over and done. It cannot continue. its simply not workable.

 

The problem is simple really unless the EU agree to some form of renegotiation of terms, or we decide to stay in the EU, we will fall out with no deal.

The no deal scenario is as bad for the EU as it is for us, but politicians are dicks and will vote anyway which keeps their noses in the trough.

 

Politicians must do what’s in the interest of the country. While the House of Commons was against a no deal scenario it is incredible that May is still pursuing a strategy which includes no deal. A policy of mutual harm. A lose-lose scenario where everyone will suffer. With Britain suffering more than the EU.

 

The eu have never reopened terms that were agreed. ever

we are wasting time. this should have been trashed out prior to deal being agreed and vote should have been rubber stamp or may should have gone to country last year when David Davies walked away.

 

Obviously this splinter group will never hold a large percentage of Parliament and like all splinter groups will eventually fade into nothing or join another party. (My bet is in less than 5 years they will merge with Lib Dems)

However, they don't need to win a large number of seats to impact parliament. As mito points out the Tories don't have much of a majority.

In the next election labour and conservative will have to battle the new group which means softening extremist positions. Lib Dems used to serve this roll but so many people don't trust them now and think they will just roll over if a coalition needed.