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oldfrenchhorn said:
It is quite strange how out of step the UK seems to be with so many countries around the world. There was a general election in Denmark recently, one of the more highly taxed countries in Europe. Rather than vote for the ruling parties that had cut back on services, the population returned a government with parties making a promise to restore the things that people rely on even if it costs them more. The far right who wanted to cut back even more had their number of seats halved. In the UK the population were led to believe that they only needed to leave the EU and everything that localities need would be available again. Strangely the day after the referendum the politicians who had made these promises tried to jump back, adding massive caveats to what they had been saying. These same politicians are now competing to run the country, and we know from experience now that you cannot believe a word they are saying.
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The UK is near the EU average for tax take compared to GDP.
 
superhorns said:
The UK is near the EU average for tax take compared to GDP.
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So why is the UK unable to fund even basic services that others countries do? It sounds like bad management, but that has to be expected when so much control has been passed to foreign companies who are not in the country to provide for the population first and foremost.
 
superhorns said:
Reducing the tax rate on these middle earners can incentivise extra work hours therefore increasing the overall tax take.
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I don't necessarily agree with that but have always thought if you reduced some rates it might incentivise people to pay the lot rather than finding loopholes to pay less. And I'm not really criticising people who do that as I'm sure I'd be tempted if I was in their position.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
So why is the UK unable to fund even basic services that others countries do? It sounds like bad management, but that has to be expected when so much control has been passed to foreign companies who are not in the country to provide for the population first and foremost.
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Your constant UK bashing is often not based on fact. The UK has already effectively addressed its
Ongoing borrowing levels, something many countries, including France are yet to address.
 
superhorns said:
Your constant UK bashing is often not based on fact. The UK has already effectively addressed its
Ongoing borrowing levels, something many countries, including France are yet to address.
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This has got nothing whatsoever about the question I asked. Let me ask again. If everything is going so well, why cannot the country afford to provide basic services for those that need them. Others do, why not the UK?
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
This has got nothing whatsoever about the question I asked. Let me ask again. If everything is going so well, why cannot the country afford to provide basic services for those that need them. Others do, why not the UK?
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I agree sixth most prosperous country in the world.. So why oh why are the Tory govt laying waste our public services? We know Thatcher didn't care for society but Cameron and May both trumpeted that they did..
The higher earners do not need the tax breaks.

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oldfrenchhorn said:
This has got nothing whatsoever about the question I asked. Let me ask again. If everything is going so well, why cannot the country afford to provide basic services for those that need them. Others do, why not the UK?
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I have already given you a reason why the Tories responsible actions over the UKs borrowing requirements has effectively reduced the amount normally available. The treasury has now indicated the previous fiscal measures now allows the purse strings to be loosened. Macron has not yet summoned the courage to even start to reduce France's ever increasing and huge debt mountain.
 
superhorns said:
I have already given you a reason why the Tories responsible actions over the UKs borrowing requirements has effectively reduced the amount normally available. The treasury has now indicated the previous fiscal measures now allows the purse strings to be loosened. Macron has not yet summoned the courage to even start to reduce France's ever increasing and huge debt mountain.
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So what measures are going through to restore the services that have been cut now that this money is available?
 
yorkshirehornet said:
Sounds like with your boasts about your business exploits you should have and should continue to pay more tax..

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No, I'm quite happy to pay what both Tory and Labour governments have deemed to be about right. Without encouraging entrepreneurs the final tax take would be considerably less.
 
yorkshirehornet said:
Surely such allowances should be for start ups not those who are at an end stage in their careers?

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No they are hopefully designed to encourage long term investment and job creation. I would change it to a tapered system to avoid short term financial shenanigans by spivs. It is solely for workers who hold at least 5% shares in a company on a sale of those shares.
 
yorkshirehornet said:
Taking this on further what about all the social and public services that have been decimated under Tory funding.. What is your view?

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See my previous answer.. The Tories are the best option for public finances and fiscal control.
 
yorkshirehornet said:
You have not answered my question
Do you want all our any of:
Libraries
Youth services
Day centres for the elderly
Funded residentail care
Children and family centres
Rural post office
Rural bus services
etc.

All or any ...discuss???
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Obviously they should be funded to provide the maximum facilities within a sensible fiscal policy that does not create massive debts to leave to future generations.

Borrowing is easy, repaying debt is much harder.
 
superhorns said:
Obviously they should be funded to provide the maximum facilities within a sensible fiscal policy that does not create massive debts to leave to future generations.

Borrowing is easy, repaying debt is much harder.
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The policies of the Tory party have seen the biggest erosion in these services ever......

State asset stripping to fund tax breaks eh??

Our society will become a poorer and more divided one as a direct result.....

So SH you support funding for all of these services then???
 
yorkshirehornet said:
The policies of the Tory party have seen the biggest erosion in these services ever......

State asset stripping to fund tax breaks eh??

Our society will become a poorer and more divided one as a direct result.....

So SH you support funding for all of these services then???
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Read my previous post properly.
 
The three main international credit rating agencies have rubbished Macron's warning that the UK's credit rating would be downgraded if the ransom was withheld. The non payment could be subject to International court battles but these could take years. I expect part of it is justified for payment but the majority is for negotiation. We need a good horse trader, keep the civil servants well away.
 
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