That's the problem OFH we burned our bridges with the rest of the world to join the club but given what the EU has turned into we could still be better out of it
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I think that what you are suggesting is something similar to Tesco closing its superstores and only operating corner shops. The largest countries from the commonwealth Australia, Canada and India are all in some stages of creating deals with the EU which the UK would benefit from, but it seems that we are intent on becoming the small corner store without the influence of a large purchasing operation behind us.
If true OFH then how sad that the only way we can trade with the Commonwealth is by being a small part of the EU instead of being at the centre of the Commonwealth
yorkshirehornet
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Sadly the world has changed and moved on.. And our excolonies feel little obligation to do a special deal with us.. What goes around comes around...
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I am not sure that this idea of being at the centre when others fall over themselves to trade with us holds any relevance in the modern world. We might have a large economy compared to some, but we are a small market place in terms of population. Countries like Canada and Australia will complete arrangements with the EU because they see the potential that doesn't exist now in the UK. Things have changed from the days of Empire, through Commonwealth, into membership of the EU, and no matter how much some hanker to return to earlier times, it is not going to happen.
Why would we be at the centre ? Keeping in mind the size of India's population and their future economic power we could become a colony of theirs. More likely is that the Americans would muscle in on such an English speaking union and the whole thing would be a horrific version of TTIP. Countries like Canada and Australia do not have the same environmental standards as those we currently enjoy as EU members. There is also the rather obvious point of geography - do you want one day delivery from Belgium, France or Germany, or to wait for a container ship to complete the 4 week journey from Australia ? Not too good for the environment I'm afraid. Canada trades mostly with the USA, Australia mostly with Asia, going under the age old principle of trade working best with your immediate neighbours.
yorkshirehornet
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India is considered midway.. Vegemite and Marmite in equal supply!
Although Toyata land cruiser was just starting to take over from land rover when I worked there!
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Although Toyata land cruiser was just starting to take over from land rover when I worked there!
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So Mrs May says its her deal/a 2nd vote or no Brexit...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48357017
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48357017
From comments coming out of Westminster it seems that this latest offer is likely to get nowhere. You cannot blame the opposition parties for voting against a bill if they think it is bad, but to have so many of her own party against and prepared to bring the government down is almost unprecedented in modern times. I wonder if she will have the guts to say I am being forced out, so I will take my deal off the table, revoke Article 50, let the Tory party continue to squabble between the moderate and right wing MPs , letting the process start over again if anyone now thinks it will be the easiest deal in history.
yorkshirehornet
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Given that this entire mess has been caused by the Tory party alone....
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Of course it was all started by the Tory party, but it hasn't been helped by the main opposition party sitting on the fence for so long. After the 2017 election when the Tories had their majority removed, the opposition could have pressed much harder, certainly on Brexit issues when the Government couldn't even rely on their paid supporters. They didn't because they really are in a similar position to the Tories, with a membership expressing a view that probably doesn't coincide with the non-party public. At the council elections it was clear that the public had had enough of these two institutions prevaricating, and placed their votes with a party that had a clear message.
The final days of this government must be close now, and with the votes likely to split in the next election in different directions, the country is being taken into further chaos that could go on for years
The main message from the council elections was the anger about Brexit being not being completed.
All the controlling Tories require is a new leader with a sense of democracy to carry out the referendum result. The LibDems minions temporarily gained a few protest votes but will be shunned again at the next GE.
You cannot prove that statement about anger being because of the non Brexit. That was the spin, but there are many reasons why the Tories collapsed.
yorkshirehornet
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Today we have seen a direct consequence of Brexit bringing collapse to a company, as British Steel doesn't go into administration as people thought likely, but into insolvency. It has lost 25% of the orders it had from the EU, coupled with higher energy prices from the private companies, and increased import prices due to the collapse in the value of the pound. I do hope that the voters in Scunthorpe where 5,000 are employed with 20,000 more in the supply chain, send a clear message that Brexit is bad for your livelihood.
The remoaners must take responsibility for the delay of Brexit which has added to the uncertainty. The constant negativity expressed at every opportunity has taken its toll.
Many expats living in France will not be able to vote in the European elections as their voting papers have gone missing. Oh well, the Brexit Party surge will probably make this immaterial.
I am afraid that this is a Tory Brexit, and it is a Tory Brexit only. It is the direct result of Tory fear of the far right that brought about the current chaos. Why after three years has no way been found forward? Simply because it was such a bad idea to save a single political party, that many have joined together to save the country, and not just a few politicians intent on safeguarding their seats.
It doesn't make any difference whether they vote in France or in the UK. SH it's all the same election. I don't vote in the Euro elections in the UK. because I vote for the Green Party here - which leads to the same result in the European Parliament.
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