Wreckers like Greive are giving Tories a bad image, they are more interested in a large payoff after their political shift is ended.
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There we probably disagree. I see Corbyn as a serial rebel who has an agenda of his own, and is not the person to lead a major political party. There are many in the Labour party such as Benn, Cooper and Starmer who make as much sense to me as Clarke, Letwin, or Grieve do from the Tories. The people I have named are serious politicians, who if you listen closely to what they say are working for the good of the country. I am afraid that I do not feel that about Corbyn. We must remember that to be a politician you need to be good with words. May today, despite numerous malfunctions was able to use words to convey an impression, but what was she saying? Corbyn sounded very good in his response, but he didn't have to answer questions that could have exposed what he had said.
I really despise what is being done to some in our society, and cannot support the government, but my judgement says that Labour has gone too far the other way. It can only be my judgement as he has not had the chance to prove me wrong. I really wish that the moderates from both sides of the chamber could come together.
Perhaps you would like to remind us of who it was that suggested the Tory party needed to get away from the image of being the "nasty party".
Good to see that the MP and Business Minister from Watford has resigned from the government. There comes a point where you have to put what you know to be right for the country ahead of party loyalty.
Another defeat for the government, and MPs are starting to take control away from it. Meanwhile it is reported that the ERG have been fighting like ferrets in a sack. I wonder which even smaller faction of the right SH will be supporting.
This is working out just as they had wanted it. The EU must be pissing themselves at what a clown colleage the UK is.
Who's "they"?
The EU don't want us to leave, it's disruptive and against the short and medium term interests.
The government understand that the referendum result is undeliverable without serious long term damage to the UK economy.
ukip and the erg are spitting their dummies out of the pram because they know that they won't get their own way, especially in a second vote.
I despair about this mess. No one is laughing, except to save their own sanity.
The EU don't want us to leave, it's disruptive and against the short and medium term interests.
The government understand that the referendum result is undeliverable without serious long term damage to the UK economy.
ukip and the erg are spitting their dummies out of the pram because they know that they won't get their own way, especially in a second vote.
I despair about this mess. No one is laughing, except to save their own sanity.
yorkshirehornet
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Apparently some of the Tory ministers are saying they should be whipped 
I always new there was something sado masochistic about them.
I always new there was something sado masochistic about them.
Well the Government have dismissed the idea of revoking Article 50..
Which probably means they will try to !!
Which probably means they will try to !!
Dear old Bill Cash, who must be one of the biggest bores in the Commons with his repeated questions about points of law, is at it again. This time he is accusing the PM of acting illegally by agreeing to alter the exit day before Parliament had agreed to it. I trust that he will take her to the High Court. 
Only yesterday BoJo wrote in the DT,. “We have blinked. We have baulked. We have bottled it completely. We have now undergone the humiliation of allowing the EU to decide the date on which we may make our own departure. It is the EU that is now insisting that parliament must vote – for a third time! – on its Carthaginian terms, if we are to be permitted to leave on May 22.”
He continued: “If she cannot give that evidence of change, she should drop the deal, go back to Brussels, and set out the terms that so many on both sides – Remainers and Leavers – now believe are sensible.
“Extend the implementation period to the end of 2021 if necessary; use it to negotiate a free-trade deal.
Tonight he is saying he could support the May deal. I am sure that SH will be on here to describe the man he supported to be the next PM as Judas.
He continued: “If she cannot give that evidence of change, she should drop the deal, go back to Brussels, and set out the terms that so many on both sides – Remainers and Leavers – now believe are sensible.
“Extend the implementation period to the end of 2021 if necessary; use it to negotiate a free-trade deal.
Tonight he is saying he could support the May deal. I am sure that SH will be on here to describe the man he supported to be the next PM as Judas.
It must be a welcome relief following educated Tory MPs rather than the usual halfwits you seem to run into at the bread shop.
You really don't know what you are saying. BoJo was speaking at an event organised by the DT tonight, and was roundly booed by the audience for his sudden about turn. I would have expected you to have been on the side of the audience, and been on here disagreeing with him. Still you disagree with the audience as they are not as educated as him. Fine, I will add it to my bookmarks of SH statements.
Seeing as you have no idea who I meet in the bakers, you denigrate yourself by describing them as halfwits. Two that I do know are University lecturers, so unless you are better qualified maybe you would like to consider what you have just said.
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Thatcher became extremely unpopular when in the last days of her premiership she seemed to lose the plot. Like the current one she wouldn't listen to what others were saying to her. The one before that probably was Neville Chamberlain, who had scorn from all sides after he tried to appease Hitler.
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Now you know why I don't post most political things, thought they would be laughing at us really. My bad!
Wow, you are amazingly lucky to have the only bread shop in France where uni lecturers outnumber Le Pen's far right supporters.
yorkshirehornet
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This is offensive and TBH just not acceptable on this board.... if you wrote that in the workplace you would be disciplined...discriminatory.....
Cmon get a grip and play fair.
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