Off Topic UK / EU Future
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But purely on the mathematics Labour would find it even harder, they cannot rely on the Tory wreckers very long.
yorkshirehornet
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Funny.. some would call the ERG group the Tory Wreckers.. It is all about perception...
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The ERG group represent the majority view of Conservative party members ( oh no! I'm beginning to bang on about party membership like our friend from within the German borders.)
Brexit: most Tory members would choose no deal over May's plan ...https://www.theguardian.com/.../most-tory-members-would-choose-no-deal-over-may-b...
Brexit: Majority of Conservative Party members oppose Theresa May's ...https://www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › UK Politics
Most Tory members would choose a no-deal Brexit over Theresa ...https://www.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics
That is true for members, but it doesn't take account of the Tory voter who is not a member. The membership is quite tiny compared to the number of voters.
So the recent polls showing that the UK public want to stay in the EU represents the current majority view of the country?
yorkshirehornet
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I think membership of the Tory party is at an all time low? I guess they must be out of touch with mainstream views. In fact I heard a Tory MP saying that about the government in Parliament yesterday.
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It's fine though, a few hundred Tories want no deal so the whole country has to go with it according to SH.
POLL: a sampling or collection of opinions on a subject, taken from either a selected or a random group of persons, as for the purpose of analysis.
This might help you understand.
My point was that you randomly select when a poll is meaningless and when a poll is 'a majority view'. But you knew that.
Actually they don't give out the official figures Yorkie (in contrast to the other parties), possibly because they are embarassed to do so. Also the average age of members is around the 70 mark, so give it a few years and there won't be many left - I can't see many of the young of this country joining.
The latest opinion polls say the Tories are very much in tune with the electorate, leading Labour by 6 points. It is the anti Brexit parties such as the Lib Dems and Greens that fail abysmally.
Er, where do you find these opinion polls, or do you think them up. Whenever I google under 'Latest UK opinion polls' I find nothing resembling your figures.
I hope you remember that your 'Freedom' day involves one half of Britain's population forcibly taking rights away from the other half (ie. Citizenship rights) and is about erecting walls between people, which has nothing to do with freedom.
Desperation seems to be setting in now with the PM phoning up union leaders trying to win support for her deal. Maybe some good will come out of it eventually as there are some reports that staying in the customs union and close alignment with the single market might be part of Plan B if Plan A is voted down next week. As has been stated several times in the debate today, it is the cross party back benchers who have taken over behind the scenes to find a way out of the current mess, while both front benches continue with their posturing.
That argument can be reversed very easily. You could say the result of the Scottish Independence referendum prevented half of the Scottish population from gaining their freedom. Same with any election/poll a significant proportion of those who vote will be disappointed but that is the democratic system we have.
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