Off Topic UK / EU Future
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The Irish are now panicking, they realise the EU will reinstate a hard border.
Today we are likely to see which cabinet ministers are really going to put their jobs before their beliefs.
Seeing as it appears that Northern Ireland will receive special treatment to stay in both the CU and SM, it is very fair to ask why should this be denied to Scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain. Let us not forget that Northern Ireland also voted to remain, and the DUP are out of step with the electorate.
Seeing as it appears that Northern Ireland will receive special treatment to stay in both the CU and SM, it is very fair to ask why should this be denied to Scotland who voted overwhelmingly to remain. Let us not forget that Northern Ireland also voted to remain, and the DUP are out of step with the electorate.
It would seem that it is not remoaners as you call them, but the government that has chosen to have different rules for different parts of the UK.
I have asked you to explain exactly what you mean by 'taking back control of borders', I mean in extension to the passport controls we already have. You have consistenly failed to actually do this, and so it remains an empty mantra with no substance. Controls, over and above what Britain currently employs, involve either use of Visas, or use of passport stamps on entry. I want to know how you envisage things changing actually at the point of entry.
A fact which has little to do with the present debate. If Russians or Moroccans are being used for agriculture in Spain it is under conditions which are not 'official' and has nothing to do with EU laws - but rather with unscrupled employers doing things on the black.
This is happening openly in one of the EU,s main member states with horrendous unemployment levels.
I will later highlight your numerous erroneous posts whinging about the inevitability of using visas and loss of tourist trade. Another false project fear story.
That is why the ERG group is sensibly telling the PM her plan is unacceptable.
So where is your answer to my question about 'taking back control of borders' - I see that you don't have one which is why you're shifting the subject again. Any change to what actually exists at the border means either Visas or stamping of passports on entry - both would have a negative effect on tourism. The first of these is obvious the second would be problematic because most EU. citizens walk around with ID Cards as opposed to passports.
The ERG group are irrelevant, May needs the support of a significant number of Labour MPs in order to get this through, and she could be pitching to them now.
That's not down to the EU, that's down to brexshit. If you're not in the EU then there is not going to be the same freedom of movement. What else did anyone expect? The article is just pure common sense.
I do love this long standing affection with the ERG. They are just a bunch of misfits who have taken up residence inside the Tory party. They have been there under various guises for years, and once again they will be sidelined. If they had the guts they would leave and join UKIP or form their own party. Of course they won't because they know that the public would not vote for such figures of fun. They are there under the Tory banner, but constantly oppose their own government.
The ERG group represent the majority of Conservative voters and also many Labour voters. Their shared policies are the same as why the UK voted to leave the EU.
Taking back control of borders is ending the present arrangement where the UK has no control over the quantity or quality of immigrants seeking residence from the EU area. If there had been movement on Cameron's reasonable request to curtail this farcical situation the U.K. Would probably have voted to remain in this awful cartel.
Thankfully Merkel refused to be reasonable and pragmatic.
Another Brexiter lie. The UK had the means to control immigration, yet chose not to repeatedly. You've been avoiding Cologne's point about passports/ID cards, how will things change post-Brexit? Visas?
Wrong, the UK currently has very little options on refusing residency to EU citizens, hopefully will change a.s.a.p.
It has the same powers as all other EU countries. No job, no stay. If people come here and find a job then why would you deny them that opportunity, surely that's what you want to happen post-Brexit?
The UK should be able to operate its own immigration policy as most countries in the world enjoy. It is for the UK government to decide on the quantity and quality required to suit its need in a managed way which is impossible under the present system.
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