Off Topic UK / EU Future

[oldfrenchhorn]

The whole thing is no longer in the hands of the government, but those of Corbyn. Although he is working for a vote of no confidence and a general election, if the party thinks that is unlikely he can force one, he is quite likely to go for the second referendum option. With all opposition parties wanting one and enough Tories who have openly said they would support one, then there is little the government can do. It could well come down in the end to May having to decide if she wants a GE or another vote from the public. Seeing as what happened at the last GE she might well think the vote the lesser of two evils.

 

[superhorns]

The whole thing is no longer in the hands of the government, but those of Corbyn. Although he is working for a vote of no confidence and a general election, if the party thinks that is unlikely he can force one, he is quite likely to go for the second referendum option. With all opposition parties wanting one and enough Tories who have openly said they would support one, then there is little the government can do. It could well come down in the end to May having to decide if she wants a GE or another vote from the public. Seeing as what happened at the last GE she might well think the vote the lesser of two evils.

Corbyn will be powerless to control his backbenchers who have continued to respect the referendum result. There is definitely not the numbers to add a second referendum amendment to the Brexit Bill.

The choice will simply be May's option or no deal.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Your faith in Labour MPs turning down the chance of having a real say is quite touching. When you see people like Frank Field suggesting that no deal is not an option, then you should know that the numbers you are relying on is not given.

 

[superhorns]

Your faith in Labour MPs turning down the chance of having a real say is quite touching. When you see people like Frank Field suggesting that no deal is not an option, then you should know that the numbers you are relying on is not given.

I have just noted most of the MP's have supported Brexit right throughout the process. Enough Labour MPs will continue to respect the original result to ensure the amendment will be defeated. Like the rest of the MPs if FF does not want no deal he will have to support the government's option.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

I have just noted most of the MP's have supported Brexit right throughout the process. Enough Labour MPs will continue to respect the original result to ensure the amendment will be defeated. Like the rest of the MPs if FF does not want no deal he will have to support the government's option.

I thought you wanted a no deal. Labour MPs voted as they did because a three line whip was imposed, and if Corbyn imposed another one they would do as they were told, especially if it brought about the demise of the government.

 

[superhorns]

I thought you wanted a no deal. Labour MPs voted as they did because a three line whip was imposed, and if Corbyn imposed another one they would do as they were told, especially if it brought about the demise of the government.

Those Labour MP's with constituencies that voted overwhelmingly for Brexit will defy any whip imposed by Corbyn on a second referendum amendment. These same MPs are amongst the majority that gave Cobyn a vote of no confidence, Many dislike him intensely.

 

[superhorns]

I prefer a deal with the EU on the terms laid out by May in her Mansion House speech. If any proposed deal does not reach the required standard then a no deal without paying the ransom is preferred.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

It sounds as if your preferences are not going to come to fruition. She has moved already well away from her Mansion House speech, and everyone admits that the monies we owe will have to be paid. Your contribution to the funds has not brought about the leadership contest you hoped for with the traitors to the party realising that they are little more than a rump who couldn't get enough support, so why keep carrying on with this little dream. Time to move on and accept that your hopes are not on the agenda.

 

[superhorns]

It sounds as if your preferences are not going to come to fruition. She has moved already well away from her Mansion House speech, and everyone admits that the monies we owe will have to be paid. Your contribution to the funds has not brought about the leadership contest you hoped for with the traitors to the party realising that they are little more than a rump who couldn't get enough support, so why keep carrying on with this little dream. Time to move on and accept that your hopes are not on the agenda.

What is certain is that Brexit will happen. There will be no more of your hoped for legal challenges to stop it. It is also clear why only 20% polled last week expect a second referendum because most realise it will just not happen. The terms are yet to be revealed, we will have to wait to see which, if any, compromises can be accommodated.
I would have thought there is little left for the remoaners to dream about, you should now accept the defeat you suffered in 2016.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

What is certain is that Brexit will happen. There will be no more of your hoped for legal challenges to stop it. It is also clear why only 20% polled last week expect a second referendum because most realise it will just not happen. The terms are yet to be revealed, we will have to wait to see which, if any, compromises can be accommodated.
I would have thought there is little left for the remoaners to dream about, you should now accept the defeat you suffered in 2016.

I think that at the end of the day when there is no agreement in Parliament, there could well be another vote as this could be the only way out for the government. You don't seem to have twigged that it doesn't matter what the percentage is of what people think, this has become a desperate battle of the Tory party to stay in power. The further down the road this mess goes the more we should be able to see that the whole thing was a lie that some fell for. Today we had the Chancellor talking about emergency budgets, strange that Osbourne was saying the same thing two years ago.

 

[superhorns]

I think that at the end of the day when there is no agreement in Parliament, there could well be another vote as this could be the only way out for the government. You don't seem to have twigged that it doesn't matter what the percentage is of what people think, this has become a desperate battle of the Tory party to stay in power. The further down the road this mess goes the more we should be able to see that the whole thing was a lie that some fell for. Today we had the Chancellor talking about emergency budgets, strange that Osbourne was saying the same thing two years ago.

The mutterings from Hammond and Osborne are similar because they are both rabid remainers. I expect Hammond's negativity to be exposed as inaccurate as Osborne's turned out to be.

Parliamentary leading officials have confirmed the only choice in parliament, in the absence of an amendment, will be to accept May's deal or leave without one. That is the meaningful vote.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

The mutterings from Hammond and Osborne are similar because they are both rabid remainers. I expect Hammond's negativity to be exposed as inaccurate as Osborne's turned out to be.

Parliamentary leading officials have confirmed the only choice in parliament, in the absence of an amendment, will be to accept May's deal or leave without one. That is the meaningful vote.

You seem to be coming round slowly. Both men were or are in control of the purse strings. Over the years you should have noticed that the Treasury is the one that always wins over dogma.
Why do you pin your hopes on there not being an amendment when MPs are coming together to draw one up? Some news sources talk in terms of a "killer" amendment. Your adherence to the cult of Moggism is looking more and more like a waste of £25.

 

[superhorns]

You seem to be coming round slowly. Both men were or are in control of the purse strings. Over the years you should have noticed that the Treasury is the one that always wins over dogma.
Why do you pin your hopes on there not being an amendment when MPs are coming together to draw one up? Some news sources talk in terms of a "killer" amendment. Your adherence to the cult of Moggism is looking more and more like a waste of £25.

The 'killer' reference also referred to this potential amendment as being their last chance. There may well be an attempt which will fail because of the reasons I have already outlined. Labour MP's in some Northern constituencies will not dare vote for a second referendum. Corbyn's last whip on Brexit failed miserably, a large minority ignored him. They just don't respect his views at all.

Unless May sticks to Tory manifesto promises on Brexit she will face an election challenge in the near future. I'm happy my small financial contribution towards the Conservative Party was well spent. Keeping the Tories in power for such a long time is essential.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

The 'killer' reference also referred to this potential amendment as being their last chance. There may well be an attempt which will fail because of the reasons I have already outlined. Labour MP's in some Northern constituencies will not dare vote for a second referendum. Corbyn's last whip on Brexit failed miserably, a large minority ignored him. They just don't respect his views at all.

Unless May sticks to Tory manifesto promises on Brexit she will face an election challenge in the near future. I'm happy my small financial contribution towards the Conservative Party was well spent. Keeping the Tories in power for such a long time is essential.

You seem to forget that the Labour Party which has five times the number of members that the Tories have, actually wants another referendum by about 80% to 20%, no matter where in the country they come from. There was a large survey done in Sunderland, one of the areas that was most in favour of leaving, and what a surprise, they now want to stay. But as I said, this is no longer in the hands of the population, but those of the politicians. Labour will do whatever to remove the government, and the Tories will take whatever measures they can in Westminster to keep themselves in power. Your £25 is not even noticed, especially when you have coughed up to split the party even more than it is already.

 

[superhorns]

You seem to forget that the Labour Party which has five times the number of members that the Tories have, actually wants another referendum by about 80% to 20%, no matter where in the country they come from. There was a large survey done in Sunderland, one of the areas that was most in favour of leaving, and what a surprise, they now want to stay. But as I said, this is no longer in the hands of the population, but those of the politicians. Labour will do whatever to remove the government, and the Tories will take whatever measures they can in Westminster to keep themselves in power. Your £25 is not even noticed, especially when you have coughed up to split the party even more than it is already.

The Labour leadership is all over the place with shadow cabinet ministers contradicting

 

[superhorns]

The Labour leadership is all over the place with shadow cabinet ministers contradicting each other daily. The Marx twins have very little control over their MPs, many will not back another referendum.

Is this the last of your long list of failed challenges?

My contribution must be working, the Tories have now increased their lead over Labour to 5% in the latest YouGov poll. This is an amazing lead in the circumstances, the public really have little faith in Labour.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

The Labour leadership is all over the place with shadow cabinet ministers contradicting

It is a great shame that people like Ledsom and Bone don't pay more attention to the people in Northants, and speak up to protect them from the worst excesses of their party rather than promote their own interests. The Tory party is totally split, something that you have sought to make even worse. Maybe you should spend more time looking at what you and your ilk are doing within, rather than worrying about other parties. There are advantages in not supporting the way that the narrow interests of either party are taking the country.

 

[J T Bodbo]

What is certain is that Brexit will happen. There will be no more of your hoped for legal challenges to stop it. It is also clear why only 20% polled last week expect a second referendum because most realise it will just not happen. The terms are yet to be revealed, we will have to wait to see which, if any, compromises can be accommodated.
I would have thought there is little left for the remoaners to dream about, you should now accept the defeat you suffered in 2016.

The 'killer' reference also referred to this potential amendment as being their last chance. There may well be an attempt which will fail because of the reasons I have already outlined. Labour MP's in some Northern constituencies will not dare vote for a second referendum. Corbyn's last whip on Brexit failed miserably, a large minority ignored him. They just don't respect his views at all.

Unless May sticks to Tory manifesto promises on Brexit she will face an election challenge in the near future. I'm happy my small financial contribution towards the Conservative Party was well spent. Keeping the Tories in power for such a long time is essential.

Essential for what exactly ? When was the last time a Tory govt. improved the lot of the people , rather than the well -off and above in financial terms ?

 

[J T Bodbo]

What is certain is that Brexit will happen. There will be no more of your hoped for legal challenges to stop it. It is also clear why only 20% polled last week expect a second referendum because most realise it will just not happen. The terms are yet to be revealed, we will have to wait to see which, if any, compromises can be accommodated.
I would have thought there is little left for the remoaners to dream about, you should now accept the defeat you suffered in 2016.

It is only certain when it happens. Any number of things might happen to stop it. What is certain is that the absolute stupidity of leaving is becoming apparent to those who don't think, as it has been apparent to anybody who does think for a very long time.

 

[superhorns]

It is a great shame that people like Ledsom and Bone don't pay more attention to the people in Northants, and speak up to protect them from the worst excesses of their party rather than promote their own interests. The Tory party is totally split, something that you have sought to make even worse. Maybe you should spend more time looking at what you and your ilk are doing within, rather than worrying about other parties. There are advantages in not supporting the way that the narrow interests of either party are taking the country.

If the Tories are so far ahead during your supposed split just think how good a position they could be in once reunited. It is impossible not to notice how divided Labour is, and the demise of the Lib Dems. The alternatives to the Tories appear to have little appeal to the electorate.