Off Topic UK / EU Future

[superhorns]

My MP doesn't know how to use a pen or e mail as she never responds to my questions.
You were sold a pup and now are complaining about having to walk with it. To think you have just paid to join this bunch.

Having watched the EU disintegrate further over the past two years it has confirmed Brexit was the correct decision by the British people.

Perhaps we could ask Gino Pozzo to negotiate for the UK side, he possesses sufficient backbone and experience in negotiations. He could join the present Italian government dying to take on the EU.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

You must log in or register to see images

Thank goodness for the present Govt and the Tory party the controllers of the mass media managed to create a perfect storm about anti-semitism....

 

[colognehornet]

What the current rhetoric over immigration and 'taking back control of borders' fails to address is that the long term health of the British economy depends upon an increased use of migrant workers. With falling birth rates and increasing longevity, and, without a radical change to its pension and benefit systems, Britain needs around one million additional workers per year between now and 2050 to maintain the current ratio between the working and the retired population. Talk about putting up walls and borders does not address this demographic problem - without immigration, the pensions of the future will not be possible. If you seriously want fewer migrants from countries like Rumania and Poland then you will need to compensate for this by taking more from somewhere else - and this isn't going to be from Australia, NZ. or Canada. In Germany there are around 4 million people of Polish extraction - including Miroslaw Klose, Lucas Podolsky and Angela Merkel - people walking aroung speaking German as a native language, and looking no different to any other German. The sons and daughters of Polish migrants in the UK. will be exactly the same as the native population - just with Polish names. The same will not be the case with non EU. migration.

 

[superhorns]

What the current rhetoric over immigration and 'taking back control of borders' fails to address is that the long term health of the British economy depends upon an increased use of migrant workers. With falling birth rates and increasing longevity, and, without a radical change to its pension and benefit systems, Britain needs around one million additional workers per year between now and 2050 to maintain the current ratio between the working and the retired population. Talk about putting up walls and borders does not address this demographic problem - without immigration, the pensions of the future will not be possible. If you seriously want fewer migrants from countries like Rumania and Poland then you will need to compensate for this by taking more from somewhere else - and this isn't going to be from Australia, NZ. or Canada. In Germany there are around 4 million people of Polish extraction - including Miroslaw Klose, Lucas Podolsky and Angela Merkel - people walking aroung speaking German as a native language, and looking no different to any other German. The sons and daughters of Polish migrants in the UK. will be exactly the same as the native population - just with Polish names. The same will not be the case with non EU. migration.

Adding millions of migrants to an already crowded island is not the long term answer, it just makes the funding problem worse over time. There is room for specifically talented migrants and those required with less skills on work permits with time limits. There should be no difference taking labour from the EU or non EU countries, applicants should be judged on merit alone.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Kent has been known as the "garden of England" for over 400 years, but now we have it confirmed that the M20 is to be lined with hundreds of portaloos to service the anticipated 13 miles of stationary lorries trying to get into Dover. It will be known in future as the toilet of England. I hope we don't have to import the chemicals.

 

[superhorns]

Kent has been known as the "garden of England" for over 400 years, but now we have it confirmed that the M20 is to be lined with hundreds of portaloos to service the anticipated 13 miles of stationary lorries trying to get into Dover. It will be known in future as the toilet of England. I hope we don't have to import the chemicals.

You should be hoping the French spite will not be also directed at ex-pats.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

You should be hoping the French spite will not be also directed at ex-pats.

Luckily virtually every French person we know in France shares our disbelief at this foolhardy decision of 51% of voters.... i have just spent three weeks to in Eastern Europe and again everyone we discussed Brexit with are dumbfounded at the UK vote.....

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

You should be hoping the French spite will not be also directed at ex-pats.

You told us that the ports would be unaffected. What has changed? As Lord King said, the EU have stuck together while the government has been in open warfare. Still trying to blame others for the Tories incompetence.

 

[superhorns]

Luckily virtually every French person we know in France shares our disbelief at this foolhardy decision of 51% of voters.... i have just spent three weeks to in Eastern Europe and again everyone we discussed Brexit with are dumbfounded at the UK vote.....

Obviously you have not spoken to the vast majority in France unhappy with the EU.

Those in Eastern Europe are ruing the disappearing opportunities of well paid jobs in the UK and the end of vast financial subsidies from the UK.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

You told us that the ports would be unaffected. What has changed? As Lord King said, the EU have stuck together while the government has been in open warfare. Still trying to blame others for the Tories incompetence.

Could not be any clearer....a shambles... one of the most ineffectual Govts in living memory

 

[superhorns]

You told us that the ports would be unaffected. What has changed? As Lord King said, the EU have stuck together while the government has been in open warfare. Still trying to blame others for the Tories incompetence.

I said the ports need not be affected with common sense on both sides. The French will try to take advantage of the situation but this will only lead to a steep rise in the reduction of business the UK does with the EU.

Lord King, a firm Brexiteer, has blamed Whitehall and May's limp advice taken from senior civil servants. He would obviously like to see a proper Brexiteer running the show.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Obviously you have not spoken to the vast majority in France unhappy with the EU.

Those in Eastern Europe are ruing the disappearing opportunities of well paid jobs in the UK and the end of vast financial subsidies from the UK.

Wrong! A small minority would leave the EU. The Brexit shambles has seen a big swing away from the idea. Even the FN now are against the idea.

 

[superhorns]

Wrong! A small minority would leave the EU. The Brexit shambles has seen a big swing away from the idea. Even the FN now are against the idea.

You need to read posts correctly, I did not say the majority wanted to leave but France does contain the highest percentage of those dissatisfied within the EU.
The FN are not against the idea, they are just not pushing it at the moment.

 

[yorkshirehornet]

Obviously you have not spoken to the vast majority in France unhappy with the EU.

Those in Eastern Europe are ruing the disappearing opportunities of well paid jobs in the UK and the end of vast financial subsidies from the UK.

1)There is a difference between unhappy with the EU and the UK position

2) Yawn.... I thought you were a facts peson... Yes most people who have left, have left to improve themselves.... and contributed significantly to all areas of the UK economy... About time SH you stop this almost-racist rhetoric

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

I said the ports need not be affected with common sense on both sides. The French will try to take advantage of the situation but this will only lead to a steep rise in the reduction of business the UK does with the EU.

Lord King, a firm Brexiteer, has blamed Whitehall and May's limp advice taken from senior civil servants. He would obviously like to see a proper Brexiteer running the show.

What you actually meant was that the ports would not be affected if the EU tore up the system that everyone benefits from to suit the UK. No wonder Raab was called delusional by his own side. Still he is not in charge. Lol

 

[colognehornet]

Adding millions of migrants to an already crowded island is not the long term answer, it just makes the funding problem worse over time. There is room for specifically talented migrants and those required with less skills on work permits with time limits. There should be no difference taking labour from the EU or non EU countries, applicants should be judged on merit alone.

Your 'already crowded island' has a population density of 267 inhabitants per square kilometre - just for the sake of comparison the Netherlands has 393. Despite this the Dutch have some of the highest living standards in Europe, and manage to be the highest payers into the EU. (per head of population). The problem is that the UK. has become used to migrants from countries which had a prior connection to the UK. and who, as a result, spoke some English on arrival. This was different with Poland and Rumania hence the problems of integration - Germany has experienced nothing but language problems since immigration started in the 50s, yet the post war boom would have been impossible without it. It is not a question of 'numbers' alone - it is a question of keeping a demographic balance between working population and non working population. The major problem is that you classify all immigrants under the label of 'desirable' or 'undesirable' - the only undesirables are those who have been convicted for a criminal offence, and Britain can turn them back already. Other than that, all you need is a language course, and to treat people like human beings, and anybody can become a 'desirable' and a benefit to the country.

 

[superhorns]

What you actually meant was that the ports would not be affected if the EU tore up the system that everyone benefits from to suit the UK. No wonder Raab was called delusional by his own side. Still he is not in charge. Lol

The overriding aim of the EU is to avoid contagion which damages the obvious desire of the people of the UK and the EU to have a sensible mutually beneficial arrangement. The EU know the UK is well positioned to continue it's superiority in investment, job creation, growth etc. It is terrified of a UK free of much of the red tape currently holding Europe back. Raab is delusional if he believes May's, and your preferred Chequers deal has any legs.

 

[superhorns]

Your 'already crowded island' has a population density of 267 inhabitants per square kilometre - just for the sake of comparison the Netherlands has 393. Despite this the Dutch have some of the highest living standards in Europe, and manage to be the highest payers into the EU. (per head of population). The problem is that the UK. has become used to migrants from countries which had a prior connection to the UK. and who, as a result, spoke some English on arrival. This was different with Poland and Rumania hence the problems of integration - Germany has experienced nothing but language problems since immigration started in the 50s, yet the post war boom would have been impossible without it. It is not a question of 'numbers' alone - it is a question of keeping a demographic balance between working population and non working population. The major problem is that you classify all immigrants under the label of 'desirable' or 'undesirable' - the only undesirables are those who have been convicted for a criminal offence, and Britain can turn them back already. Other than that, all you need is a language course, and to treat people like human beings, and anybody can become a 'desirable' and a benefit to the country.

The British do not want millions of extra migrants, a perfectly reasonable position. Those that do come should be chosen by rules decided by the UK, not some eurocrat in Brussels.

 

[colognehornet]

The overriding aim of the EU is to avoid contagion which damages the obvious desire of the people of the UK and the EU to have a sensible mutually beneficial arrangement. The EU know the UK is well positioned to continue it's superiority in investment, job creation, growth etc. It is terrified of a UK free of much of the red tape currently holding Europe back. Raab is delusional if he believes May's, and your preferred Chequers deal has any legs.

Since when was it 'my preferred Chequers deal' ? You really are putting words in my mouth here - my position would be to declare the referendum result invalid and accept the consequences (the carrot crunchers would crunch a bit louder for a while).

 

[superhorns]

Since when was it 'my preferred Chequers deal' ? You really are putting words in my mouth here - my position would be to declare the referendum result invalid and accept the consequences (the carrot crunchers would crunch a bit louder for a while).

Are you serious? I was replying to OFH

Have a lie down!!