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Macron and Barnier have started to see the potential damage to the EU's economy in the event of a 'do deal' so are now desperate for a deal. The UK now needs a proper Brexiteer to take over the negotiations to push them even further to compromise to our advantage.

Meanwhile Soubry has managed to make herself look foolish by saying Brexiteers should not be allowed to join the Tory Party.

Too late my dear by far.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
The Chequers deal probably won't get through Parliament, but there is even less chance of a no deal getting through. Total gridlock, so what then? A general election, or another referendum. The former could change the party in power. Do not forget that some 30 plus Tories are sitting on water thin majorities. I cannot see Labour supporters voting for a Mogg or Johnson if there is a chance to get this lot out. The other option if the polls are to be believed would see the whole thing called off depending on the question. Whatever way you look at it the government is in a mess.
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The is a fairly realistic appraisal of what is likely to happen....

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Macron's managed the almost impossible by being less popular than Hollande at the same stage of his presidency. He is seen as aloof.
 
Today our Brexit secretary put in an appearance in Westminster to update MPs on progress in the discussions with the EU. Members listened to find out how things were going, and learned nothing. One Tory described him as delusional as he continued to say that the EU would accept the Chequers proposals. I have watched Raab over the past couple of years, and he does alright while reading his breifing notes, but when he gets asked something that is not covered he panics. Not very impressive Mr. Raab.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
Today our Brexit secretary put in an appearance in Westminster to update MPs on progress in the discussions with the EU. Members listened to find out how things were going, and learned nothing. One Tory described him as delusional as he continued to say that the EU would accept the Chequers proposals. I have watched Raab over the past couple of years, and he does alright while reading his breifing notes, but when he gets asked something that is not covered he panics. Not very impressive Mr. Raab.
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He must be one of the last in the country to believe Chequers is a goer. Raab should listen to Barnier confirming it is stone dead.
 
superhorns said:
He must be one of the last in the country to believe Chequers is a goer. Raab should listen to Barnier confirming it is stone dead.
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I agree with you. He looked a total idiot. A Brexiteer specimen at his best who created laughter at some of his comments.
 
oldfrenchhorn said:
Davis has said this is not the time for a leadership challenge, so you are stuck with your official party line.
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I had to giggle when Davis and Johnson said we would end up with a deal that leaves us off worse than we were in the EU - it only took two years <doh>
 
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May should have left David Davis get on with the negotiations without interference from senior civil servants. Barnier much prefers a Canada plus deal Davis came up with.
 
superhorns said:
May should have left David Davis get on with the negotiations without interference from senior civil servants. Barnier much prefers a Canada plus deal Davis came up with.
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It was obvious to all that Davis was getting nowhere, hence Chequers.
 
superhorns said:
May should have left David Davis get on with the negotiations without interference from senior civil servants. Barnier much prefers a Canada plus deal Davis came up with.
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Asking a civil servant like Oliver Robbins to lead the negotiations is like asking a striker to play in goal. He is responsible for the Chequers plan disliked by everyone, quite a feat. Civil servants should remain as bag carriers, they don't have the skills or experience to lead the line.
 
superhorns said:
Asking a civil servant like Oliver Robbins to lead the negotiations is like asking a striker to play in goal. He is responsible for the Chequers plan disliked by everyone, quite a feat. Civil servants should remain as bag carriers, they don't have the skills or experience to lead the line.
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Do you really think it's the politicians who do the negotiations? Good grief.
 
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superhorns said:
Asking a civil servant like Oliver Robbins to lead the negotiations is like asking a striker to play in goal. He is responsible for the Chequers plan disliked by everyone, quite a feat. Civil servants should remain as bag carriers, they don't have the skills or experience to lead the line.
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Remember Yes Minister?
 
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superhorns said:
Everybody has seen the mess Robbins has created, he should return to making the tea. Negotiations should be left to those that live in the real world, not pen pushers.
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You really have no idea whatsoever. But then we all knew that.
 
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Dan Starkey 2 said:
You really have no idea whatsoever. But then we all knew that.
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The problem was we had a remain PM being advised by a remain obsessed civil service. What it really needed was a Brexiteer PM and team adequately controlling the civil servants. Hopefully we get another chance to get it right, or maybe just accept a deal is not possible at this time.
 
My MP doesn't know how to use a pen or e mail as she never responds to my questions.
You were sold a pup and now are complaining about having to walk with it. To think you have just paid to join this bunch.
 
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