Off Topic UK / EU Future

[oldfrenchhorn]

It is certainly the Brexit lovers who are making all the noise tonight. I wonder if any of the cabinet members from that wing of the party will have the guts to resign. Has she finally come down off the fence, or is this supposed to be another helping of fudge? We will find out shortly I guess, but JR-M was talking about being prepared to bring the government down. If that happened the only thing to do would ask the EU if they were prepared to put the whole thing on hold.

 

[superhorns]

Some of you will know why I have been quiet the last couple of days If she goes for a no deal we are heading for absolute disaster and the country really will have been betrayed. We're simply not ready to pull out without an implementation period. And this isn't project fear - it's the truth.

This is why this charade should end now. The PM should inform the EU due to its intransigence we will withdraw from negotiations until some reality appears. Give businesses as much time as possible to make alternative arrangements.

Apparently we have a 'secret team' planning for no deal.

 

[superhorns]

It is certainly the Brexit lovers who are making all the noise tonight. I wonder if any of the cabinet members from that wing of the party will have the guts to resign. Has she finally come down off the fence, or is this supposed to be another helping of fudge? We will find out shortly I guess, but JR-M was talking about being prepared to bring the government down. If that happened the only thing to do would ask the EU if they were prepared to put the whole thing on hold.

Rees Mogg is only expecting the PM to honour the manifesto, the referendum result and the contents of her major speeches on Brexit, quite simply really.

 

[Hornet-Fez]

Land Rover Jaguar seem to think it's a pretty poor idea. Along with most of our manufacturing industry. Let alone the foreign investors already here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44719656

Dyson has already decamped and Tim Martin is a wannabe hotelier. They don't count insofar as this argument is concerned..

 

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This is why this charade should end now. The PM should inform the EU due to its intransigence we will withdraw from negotiations until some reality appears. Give businesses as much time as possible to make alternative arrangements.

Apparently we have a 'secret team' planning for no deal.

There's no apparently about it and it's hardly secret either me old China. You suddenly don't sound so confident.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

It seems quite strange to me that we have known the ground rules for two years of what was acceptable to the EU and what wasn't. We cannot say that we didn't know as we helped to form them. Yet because of the promises made by the leave campaigners there was supposed to be a way around those very rules. Now we find that as we twist and turn to try and find a way around them, all we have done is waste time, which was too short anyway, and the people who said it would all be so easy have turned against both their own government and the EU at the same time. The current suggestion is still unlikely to be acceptable as once again it appears to be cherry picking, but we must wait and see if the leaked bits are agreed to. We remainers are often told that we should get behind the government, but you could well argue that the mates of Moggy should do the same and not try holding the PM to ransom.

 

[superhorns]

Land Rover Jaguar seem to think it's a pretty poor idea. Along with most of our manufacturing industry. Let alone the foreign investors already here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44719656

Dyson has already decamped and Tim Martin is a wannabe hotelier. They don't count insofar as this argument is concerned..

Project fear no 3, or is it 4?

I probably won't buy another Discovery anyway.

 

[superhorns]

It seems quite strange to me that we have known the ground rules for two years of what was acceptable to the EU and what wasn't. We cannot say that we didn't know as we helped to form them. Yet because of the promises made by the leave campaigners there was supposed to be a way around those very rules. Now we find that as we twist and turn to try and find a way around them, all we have done is waste time, which was too short anyway, and the people who said it would all be so easy have turned against both their own government and the EU at the same time. The current suggestion is still unlikely to be acceptable as once again it appears to be cherry picking, but we must wait and see if the leaked bits are agreed to. We remainers are often told that we should get behind the government, but you could well argue that the mates of Moggy should do the same and not try holding the PM to ransom.

Not really fair to blame our negotiators for trying to come up with a deal that protects trade and industry on both sides. The UK government should have remembered the intransigence faced by Cameron and realised the EU would always sacrifice EU jobs rather than threaten the cherished project.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Land Rover Jaguar seem to think it's a pretty poor idea. Along with most of our manufacturing industry. Let alone the foreign investors already here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44719656

Dyson has already decamped and Tim Martin is a wannabe hotelier. They don't count insofar as this argument is concerned..

Of course all the fanatics who will only buy British after brexit will be lining up to take delivery of their brand new Reliant Robins.

 

[superhorns]

Of course all the fanatics who will only buy British after brexit will be lining up to take delivery of their brand new Reliant Robins.

After Brexit

"This time next year we'll be millionaires Rodney"

 

[Hornet-Fez]

I've only ever bought cars made in the UK. Bikes were all Japanese but then I'm no mechanic despite an engineering background.

 

[superhorns]

David Davis has already informed May her 'third way' is unworkable. The Brexiteer ministers have met today to determined their strategy at tomorrows crunch meeting. Could be a few fireworks, hopefully up Hammond's rear.

 

[superhorns]

I've only ever bought cars made in the UK. Bikes were all Japanese but then I'm no mechanic despite an engineering background.

Unfortunately several Discovery and Range Rover models have come near the bottom of the recent JD power reliability tests. Could remnants of Red Robbo's gang be lurking in the production lines?

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

I've only ever bought cars made in the UK. Bikes were all Japanese but then I'm no mechanic despite an engineering background.

I remember the days when I had a Saturday job helping our milkman. Hay was the fuel used, and the emissions were dealt with with the aid of a shovel. The traction unit used to know where it had to stop, and you only had to call it to go to the next stopping point. No computer in it to break down, no brakes to wear out. Maybe this the way forward.

 

[Leo]

I remember the days when I had a Saturday job helping our milkman. Hay was the fuel used, and the emissions were dealt with with the aid of a shovel. The traction unit used to know where it had to stop, and you only had to call it to go to the next stopping point. No computer in it to break down, no brakes to wear out. Maybe this the way forward.

Come come OFH - we know you only started supporting Watford in the late 50s early 60s - not the 1900s

 

[Leo]

It seems quite strange to me that we have known the ground rules for two years of what was acceptable to the EU and what wasn't. We cannot say that we didn't know as we helped to form them. .

As I see it though there has never been a deal which would be acceptable to both the UK and the EU.
I just do not understand why TM took on a job which was always impossible.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

Come come OFH - we know you only started supporting Watford in the late 50s early 60s - not the 1900s

I don't remember exactly which year the Express Dairy stopped using horses, the mid 50s I think. They were replaced with electric floats that didn't have enough battery storage capacity, and were often towed back by a van. You never had that problem with a horse.

 

[oldfrenchhorn]

As I see it though there has never been a deal which would be acceptable to both the UK and the EU.
I just do not understand why TM took on a job which was always impossible.

One word, Power. I have known politicians who are quite happy to serve as MPs in Westminster and do not have the desire to achieve the highest posts. Others seem to have the belief that they were put on this earth to be world leaders. It never seems to cross their minds how unsuitable they are to do just that.

 

[superhorns]

It was clear from day 1 after the referendum that the EU were only interested in giving the UK a bloody nose for having the audacity to reject their project. No British government of any persuasion could have negotiated a sensible deal with the EU. It will not be until there is a real prospect of us leaving without a deal and the prospect of no further funds from the UK, will the minds of leaders of EU member states be concentrated on the negative consequences to themselves. The 'unity' of the EU will soon disappear so that pragmatic meaningful discussions can begin on the future relationship.

If May thinks there is another way she is wasting time and deluding herself along with the nation.

 

[Leo]

I don't remember exactly which year the Express Dairy stopped using horses, the mid 50s I think. They were replaced with electric floats that didn't have enough battery storage capacity, and were often towed back by a van. You never had that problem with a horse.

In the 50s I can remember people going into the street to pick up after a horse. They use to say they put it on their rhubarb - cue joke