Off Topic UK / EU Future

Johnny PUTIN?

 

They don't though do they.... otherwise they would work out a way to achieve consensus.

They are leading the country in to a cul-de-sac ( french phrase) ... and isolation.....

This will lead to their further marginalisation from the majority of the population who embrace a middle ground.... and the wilderness...

 

There is no chance that the far right can build a consensus for their form of brexit. They are a narrow band of about 80 MPs - that is insufficient to win whatever they are after. Their only strategy can be to thwart every other attempt to build a consensus and so end up with "no deal".
However that is unlikely to work.They can only stop TM by voting against her and perhaps bringing her down. What then? They cannot form a majority even within the Tory party. A government that can no longer govern will fall due to a no confidence vote. That means an election. In that election Labour and their allies would almost certainly gain more ground as people will not vote for a divided Tory party. It will take very few gains for a Labour led coalition to become the next government. That government will not go for a "No Deal"
Right - there is not an if or but in there just straightforward logic. Rees Mogg and co are probably our best bet to get either a reversal of Article 50 or at the very least a UK still in the CU and SM.

 

Cometh the hour cometh the man. Only the Mogg can save us from these dastardly cowardly europeans. The two sides are so far apart it is now most unlikely a deal can be cobbled together.

 

A Labour government would ensure the UK is kicked from pillar to post. This would really be worse than no Brexit.

 

It is unlikely that Labour would get a majority in the event of an election SH. The polls have rarely shown more than about a 2% advantage for either party which, if repeated at a general election would again lead to a hung parliament. Labour would need something like a 6% lead to get a majority - so the most likely outcome would be a Labour led coalition with the SNP, and possibly with the Lib Dems - both of whom are for no Brexit at all. Would Corbyn give way then and go for a second referendum ? Could such a coalition work in other areas ? I doubt it - the SNP would force Labour left on some issues and right on others. Truthfully I see no way out of the mess we are in at the moment. We cannot have a Brexit led government - they may have a mandate for Brexit, but for nothing else. So, whether you like it or not we will be taken out by remainers, with all the compromise that this involves.

 

A second referendum may produce a much larger Brexit vote, that would be funny.

 

Labour wouldn’t need a swing at all in order to hold sway, if the SNP regained little mor than half of the seats that they lost to the Tories last year.

Given the complete Horlicks they’ve made of Brexit and the impending no deal catastrophe, allied to the fact that Scotland voted to Remain, I could easily see that reverse happening.

 

The only way this goes back to the electorate is if Parliament reaches deadlock i.e. there’s no deal on the table and the house rejects leaving with no deal.

Given the scenario of leaving with no deal or staying in, Leave gets smashed.

 

Who in their right mind could vote for Labour with the two Marxists at the helm with McCluskey pulling the strings? I know many people don't take enough interest in politics but surely these clowns are heading for another defeat.

 

Didn’t May call the snap election last year on the basis that the Tories were going to massively increase their majority and end up with around a 100 seat clear overall majority?

How did that go?

They’re now ahead in the polls and as it stands would certainly maintain their position (at worst). UKIP would split the Tory vote in England and the SNP would almost certainly win ground back North of the border.

 

The hoped for split amongst the 27 countries who met today didn't appear much to the displeasure of the Brexiteers. Two years in the making of a white paper, a debate in parliament that lasted a few hours and changed it, and three hours in Brussels to point out why it doesn't work. The PM goes to Ireland to see the problems of the border, but chooses to gather information from a pottery in the last outpost of Empire.
More will have to be given by May no matter what the cost to her as she knows that no deal is not an option. WTO rules have been ruled out by her simply because there would have to be a hard border in Ireland and she has ruled that out.
I keep hearing over here how the countries realise what a chaotic state exists in the UK government, and do not wish to make anything worse by saying the wrong thing. You could see that in the measured language used by Barnier in his news conference.

As for an election I know many who are totally fed up with the way this government is behaving. There is a degree of disgust at the chief whip and the follow up of denial, but since now confirmed. Yes there are many who are not natural Labour voters, but it seems that it has come close now to getting this administration out no matter what. The more talk of no deal is playing into Labour hands as people in their heartlands realise their jobs are now at risk.

 

I'm glad you are predicting a future Labour victory. I was getting worried but now realise the Tories have nothing to fret about after your previous numerous predictions.

 

What prediction have I made in the above? Just observations.

 

http://www.lcdviews.com/2018/07/20/may-unapologetique-pour-les-bad-translations-de-brexitte/

 

If that is the case it confirm my suspicions that the great British public are even dumber than they get credit for. Be like chopping off one's balls because one is fed up of scratching an itch.

 

Most remainers have got no balls.

Take on the bullies, they are all wind.

 

Bullies? That'll be the fascists then doing their damnedest to impose their ideology on the rest of us. Make no mistake: NF; JRM; Raab; the DUP; et al; are fascists. As are the current regime across the pond.

 

I don't think any of them are fascists. Sounds like name calling for the sake of it. Not sure I would support any of that bunch but I might try to describe them more accurately.

 

I'd personally go with the DUP being fascists but probably not the others. I can think of lots of more accurate descriptions but won't use them in such polite company!